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is Batman v Superman a stupid movie?

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daredevil.shark on 01 July 2016

Better watch animated movie which is thousand times more enjoyable.



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LordLichtenstein on 01 July 2016

I feel bad for the DC cinematic universe.



SamLeheny on 01 July 2016

Yeah. It's pretty dreadful. And a frustrating film to criticise, because if you do you're often accused either of thinking the superhero genre is dumb and frivolous or being a Marvel fanboy. When in actuality, I was looking forward to something different. I'm starting to get Marvel fatigue and was looking forward to a different approach on the genre.
I love Batman, I love Superman, I love Marvel, I love DC, I love superheroes, I love movies, and I love superhero movies!
But Batman very Superman: Dawn of Justice [Oh My God, They Actually Called it That] is just a poorly constructed film on a level that has nothing to do with any of its imagined baggage.



LurkerJ on 01 July 2016
irstupid said:
bananaking21 said:

so i watched it the other day, its a stupid movie, so much makes no fucking sense. here are just some of the questions i had regarding this movie. this is just stuff that didnt make sense to me, or questions i have about the movie that feel like they are major plot holes. im not even getting into the shitty dialogue.

- what the fuck was that dream? and why the fuck was it in the movie? it didnt mean anything

1. Some tease to Injustice or something. I agree should have been 100% cut from movie. Only people I see that love it are super die hard fans that think its the only good part of the movie. I think its the worst.

- why was superman suddenly concerned about batman, when batman has been doing his thing for 20 years now?

2. Batman had only recently started to become cruel, branding and so on. Also Batman has been doing this for 20 years. It's not breaking news for the world. He is no longer water cooler talk. And as Perry White said, "breaking news, crime in gotham.  In other news water is wet" Batman isn't breaking news. 

- why did batman suddenly stop wanting to kill superman, and being afraid of his power, because both of their mothers name is martha?

3. The Martha thing is an iceburg situation. People meming the Martha thing are only looking at whats above the surface. Martha, same name, best friends, hahahahha.  There is a handful of things that happen in that scene. Batman sees Superman as a man, has a mother, has people that love him. He see's himself killing someone, and/or letting someone elses mom die. His rage is blocked for a moment and starts to peice together events and sees he has been played. Ect. This all from just the shock of hearing his MOM's name in this strange moment. We all know how unlike Tony Stark, Batman's ENTIRE mythos revolves around his parents death.

- why would kryptonians carry kryptonite on their ship if it weakens them?

4. Kryptonite is a radioactive mineral from Krytpon. Not much of a stretch to find a radioactive material on a space ship, or world engine. Also they were not superbeings on their planet. Hardly notice it I imagine.

- why was lex luthor allowed full access to the ship site and zod's body without any supervision what so ever? he isnt a goverment official, why did he have access without even somebody saying "hey, what ya doin?"

5. Lex is a billianaire and gave some government officials what they wanted. Not a stretch. The government had it for 18 months, what was to let them believe that Lex would destroy the world. They would have taken all they thought htey could, he could. Your naivety reminds me of Jena Malones quote in the movie. "Stuff like this still shocking you is what makes you a good reporter" Though remove that good reporter, cause your questions make you sound like a horrible reporter.

- when superman and luise lane have sex, does she call him daddy?

6. Grow up

- lex wanted to kill superman because he was afraid he could use his power to destroy or hurt humanity. so his answer to that was to create a monster that is even stronger than superman to kill superman... then kill humanity... how does this make sense?

7. Lex gave many reasons for his hatred of superman. Not one of them was for his power to destroy the world. That was Batman's reasons.  Also the movie hints taht Lex expected Doomsday to obay him due to his blood. He sure didn't expect doomsday to instantly try and kill him.

- lex knew batman had the kryptonite that was stolen from him, what would lex have done if batman actually killed superman using it, what was going to happen with doomsday then?

8. Fairly certain Lex wanted Batman to steal the kryptonite. And what do you mean what would he have done? For all we know he could have cancelled the doomsday. I mean his timer eneded before the countdown did. Maybe he could have said cancel to the machine. I mean at the end of the countdown, the ship shocks the embryo with energy, like a frankenstein awakening. I would assume that him saying cancel, woudl have prevented that action adn Doomsday not coming to be.

- lex has been spying on wonder woman for a long time, digging up kryptonite and doing all sorts of shit, why didnt he have one fucking security guard to guard his data? which could have been stolen within just 7 minutes

9. Pretty sure he wanted Batman to steal his data. I'm sure Mercy Graves told him that Bruce was there, and Lex knows who Bruce is. Did you notice in the Batman training montage and when he was making the spear, that he was using Lex's database to help him make his weapons. Also Lex mentioning to him at the party that they shoudl team up and Bruce shoudl see what his R&D team has been up to.

- how did lex know how to create doomsday? how was it even possible? why would the kryptonian ship know how to do it, how does it even have the equipment to do it? how did lex even know what the fuck it was doing? what was doomsday made of, zods dead body and that water thing in the ship? this whole thing just doesnt make sense to me.

10. The ship said it has 100,000 worlds of knowledge. It's a kryptonian ship. Why would it not know how to make a kryptonian weapon. The ship woudl obviously have the tools to make it. It was a ship that had embryo's to make kryptonians in it. Recal from Man of Steel the ship. It wasn't a normal ship, it was one that could create life.

- if wonder womans sword could cut off doomsdays hand, why didnt they just use it to kill doomsday instead of the kryptonite? since it obviously can hurt it. 

11. Rewatch teh fight. Everytime the military hit it with gun fire, the spot it was hit with glowed red as it absorbed that energy and contined to become stronger. Then when Wonder Woman and Superman were both fighting it, each sword cut, shield bash, superman punch also made a red glow where it connected. Doomsday was also absorbing and taking that info in to become stronger. Hell when she cut off his hand it grew back to be stronger. That is Doomsday. Cutting off his head would not have worked. He would have just regrown a body and been stronger

- why would batman drag doomsday back to the city near the spear, when he could have just quickly flied there and back to where doomsday was with the spear? it would have been a lot easier for him to just go get it and come back to doomsday.

12. He coudl have left and gone and grabbed the spear, but while he was flying away and grabbing the spear, Doomsday woudl not have sat still waiting. So while Batman is off finding a spear doomsday is killing thousands in teh city. Batman finds the spear and then rushes to doomsday. Might not be as easy/possible to lure him away from the city again. If anything complain about Batman not trying to find spear as Superman/Wonder Woman fight. 

- after being in space, and a fucking nuke hitting and exploding doomsday and superman from beneath, how did doomsday return back to earth? when there was no gravity to pull him, the nuke's explosion logically pushing him further into space (not sure if that makes sense even, can a nuke explode in space?), and his entire momentum pushing him further away from earth?  shouldnt he have drifted away in space?

13. No point even bother with this. A F*ing nuke blew up in their faces, they are super beings, who knows how this would react. Heck the explosion could have ended and he being still alive could have kicked off of superman towards earth. Who cares.

- how did wonder woman come to lex's party in the first place? wasnt she laying low? then how did she get invited to the party? 

14. Who knows how she was invited. Why don't you ask how anyone else was invited. She is a freaking 5,000 year old lady. Probably snuck in. WHo's going to turn away a sexy lady. 

- why did people think superman killed those people in the desert when they were shot, why would superman even use a gun? the guy can shoot lasers out of his fucking eyes. 

15. The bodies were burnt. Watch the Ultimate cut

- i still dont know if people knew that superman was clark kent. it doesnt make sense if they couldnt tell. not one bit.
16. Oldest pointless complaint in the book. 

Is it just me, or does it feel like most haters of this feel have to be people that have zero comprehension ability. It's all in the movie, or simple thinking to explain all of these.

Yup, I watched the movie for myself after the backlash, I was expecting a disaster. I walked out saying to myself this isn't a great movie, but it's nowhere near as bad as the critics have made it seem.

I go online to check what the criticisim was about, and to my shock, most of it involved "spoon feed me or bust" stuff, I even mentioned it before that most of the criticisim sounds like nitpicking to me and not real actual issues. 

My problem with the movie was Wonder Woman. She was forced into a movie she had no business being in. They should've let Bruce Wayne browse through Lex's data and view these laughabe short clips with one extra clip for WW. It wouldn't have made the clips less laughable, but at least it would've spared us the random inclusion of WW in Lex's party and the subsequent random events which include WW returning the harddrive to Bruce Wayne politely. What a lady lol

People should complain more about Wonder Woman and less about Flash and Aqua. Every minute dedicated to her was diluting a great script and possibly, a great movie. Flash and the others clips last for how long? 30 seconds? A minute? not a big deal.

In other news, Jesse Eisenberg confirmed he will reprise as Lex in the next DC movie, that alone will make go watch it, he is just an amazing villain :)



crissindahouse on 01 July 2016
irstupid said:
crissindahouse said:

I think a not so well known actor is not comparable with a real Superman who would be the best known being on the planet.

I mean, if Obama would walk around in Washington people would recognize him even if he would call himself different.

But that's not really a problem of this movie and more of the whole Superman franchise. 

Fair points, but also not proving your point.

I mean this was a day or two before the opening. You couldn't turn on the television without seeing a commercial. Superman as a character is the most recognized person in the entire world. Now here is a guy who plays him, is wearing a t-shirt and is walking around downtown with giant billboards of him all over the place.  

THis is him wearing a superman t-shirt and no glasses on. Sure he would be recognized way easier if wearing superman suit, but he was also not dressed as clark kent. More of a mix of the two.

There is always that psychological explanation for Clark Kent. The whole argument that your brain will convince you against something obvious because you don't or can't belive it. I mean if there were a Superman, and there was someone at your work that looked similar to him would you believe that its him? I mean here is this guy who can shoot solar flares out of his eyes, fly, lift millions of pounds, invulnerable, ect and yet there he is filling his water up at the fridge and writing a story about Kim Kardashian. Or insert whatever work environment you want. I'm sure you'll ask him, watch him, try and catch him ect. But in the end assume its just a likeness. There are sites that youcan easily see most celeb dopplegangers, or heck people alter their looks, hair, even plastic surgery to look like a celeb. If there were a superman, don't you think he would be the most sought after male in the entire world from females. If I looked even a 1/10th like him, I woudl alter my hair, ect to try and look as close to him as I could to also attract girls. 

It's proving everything. To compare an actor people saw maybe a few times for a few seconds in a trailer with an alien living on our planet whose face people would have burned in their brain is already funny. 

But to try to explain it with some psychological "hey, you wouldn't think someone who looks like him is him because he would have a normal job" is bullshit in my opinion.

You have a guy who looks like that alien working in the room besides you. You would surely test him. You would test his reactions and other stuff (and if just for fun). You would recognize that everytime there is that alien in the news saving someone's life that guy working in the room besides you isn't there and everytime he is there, nothing happens or it happens something without Superman helping. 

Yes, some people would try to look like Superman but I'm 100 percent sure that there would be at least a few damn guy who would try to push a needle in his skin or something like that. That  "haha sry I was just looking if you are Superman" guy.  I mean, even if epople wouldn't believe he is Superman he would do stuff like that just for the lolz and then they would accidentally find out that he is it. 

So yeah, please don't try to find some explanations which would maybe work with a human doppleganger. We are talking about Superman here where it would be pretty easy to find out if you are him or not. 

Obama couldn't just walk around on this planet, some Football star couldn't walk around in his city, Bill Gates couldn't walk around in USA and Superman couldn't just walk around as Clark Kent and people on the streets were like "ohh a guy who looks like x, nothing else". Clark Kent couldn't walk 50 meters without someone stopping him and asking or testing him if he is Superman.

It's just a flaw in the Superman universe but who cares, it's really not an important point. 



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Teeqoz on 01 July 2016

At the Doomsday in space thing, just because you are "in space" ie. 100 km above the earth, doesn't mean you aren't affected by gravity. Gravity at the ISS (International Space Station) is only 10% weaker than it is here at ground level. Look up how orbits work.

But the movie was still pretty bad.



SWORDF1SH on 01 July 2016

I disagree!

It was a stupid stupid stupid movie!



torok on 01 July 2016
bananaking21 said:

1 - what the fuck was that dream? and why the fuck was it in the movie? it didnt mean anything

2 - why did batman suddenly stop wanting to kill superman, and being afraid of his power, because both of their mothers name is martha?

3 - why was lex luthor allowed full access to the ship site and zod's body without any supervision what so ever? he isnt a goverment official, why did he have access without even somebody saying "hey, what ya doin?"

4 - lex knew batman had the kryptonite that was stolen from him, what would lex have done if batman actually killed superman using it, what was going to happen with doomsday then?

5 - how did lex know how to create doomsday? how was it even possible? why would the kryptonian ship know how to do it, how does it even have the equipment to do it? how did lex even know what the fuck it was doing? what was doomsday made of, zods dead body and that water thing in the ship? this whole thing just doesnt make sense to me.

6 - if wonder womans sword could cut off doomsdays hand, why didnt they just use it to kill doomsday instead of the kryptonite? since it obviously can hurt it. 

7 - why would batman drag doomsday back to the city near the spear, when he could have just quickly flied there and back to where doomsday was with the spear? it would have been a lot easier for him to just go get it and come back to doomsday.

8 - how did wonder woman come to lex's party in the first place? wasnt she laying low? then how did she get invited to the party? 

9 - i still dont know if people knew that superman was clark kent. it doesnt make sense if they couldnt tell. not one bit.

Yes. As a huge DC fan, it was a complete disgrace. I would add some points to the general BS it had:

- When Lex sends the guy with the wheelchain and the hidden bomb, Batman is watchin trough the TV. He remembers sending checks to the guy, but they weren't delivered. When he checks it, the papers are FULL OF WRITTEN MENACES. Clearly, there was someone messing with hin and Supes. The world's greatest detective, however, didn't cared and just kept going after Superman. Also, that explosion scene didn't mattered for the plot. I tought they would try to blame Superman, but it didn't happened. He just got sad for 1 or 2 days and returned. It was useless.

- The jar with the pear juice. Ridiculous.

- When Flash appear after the dream, he tries to warn Batman. He stays more than a minute easily, and just keeps saying useless stuff like "i'm late" and other nonsense. His message is so confuse that it makes Batman thinks that Superman will destroy humanity. He was trying to warn him about Darkseid, that will be the villain in the Justice League film. That flying demons were his soldiers. Couldn't Flash just have said "Darkseid is coming, he is an evil god, will destroy humanity. Call Superman and Wonder Woman and assemble the Justice League". He wouldn't have used 20 seconds to say a clear, usefull and direct message.

 

Answering some of your points:

1 - A 5 minute Darkseid cameo.

2 - They were trying to make like Batman wouldn't let an innocent woman die and such. It was badly written and filmed, so it passed the wrong message.

3 - He is rich, probaly bribed his way.

4 - Pure BS, of course. Another point here is that Lex asked Superman to bring Batman's HEAD. Superman could have talked to him, but he only tried doing it for 10 seconds before deciding "screw it, I will fight and kill this a***hole". He is SUPERMAN!! Why would he do such a thing? It's not like he couldn't do it, since Batman wasn't hurting them until using the kryptonite (and Supes didn't knew that it existed). He could just stand there taking all of Batman's artillery while explaining it to him with all the pacience of the world.

5 - Also mixed his own blood to the dirty water and the dead kryptonian. Why would the blood of an human be necessary? How he knew that? Why it would make him stronger when humans are much weaker than kryptonians?

6 - I believe that this was because he was becoming stronger by "absorbing" all the attacks. Completely different from the comic books.

7 - I've said that when I watched this piece of garbage. Notice that when he falled back, the army guys said that he falled on an unhabited area. Batman dragged him to one of the largest cities on the DC universe.

8 - She invaded. Badassery 101. Or plot holes 101.

9 - I can forgive that, since is part of the Superman mythology. He was created at the 30s, so he has some stupid BS like that.



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Hynad on 01 July 2016
irstupid said:
bananaking21 said:

so i watched it the other day, its a stupid movie, so much makes no fucking sense. here are just some of the questions i had regarding this movie. this is just stuff that didnt make sense to me, or questions i have about the movie that feel like they are major plot holes. im not even getting into the shitty dialogue.

- what the fuck was that dream? and why the fuck was it in the movie? it didnt mean anything

1. Some tease to Injustice or something. I agree should have been 100% cut from movie. Only people I see that love it are super die hard fans that think its the only good part of the movie. I think its the worst.

- why was superman suddenly concerned about batman, when batman has been doing his thing for 20 years now?

2. Batman had only recently started to become cruel, branding and so on. Also Batman has been doing this for 20 years. It's not breaking news for the world. He is no longer water cooler talk. And as Perry White said, "breaking news, crime in gotham.  In other news water is wet" Batman isn't breaking news. 

- why did batman suddenly stop wanting to kill superman, and being afraid of his power, because both of their mothers name is martha?

3. The Martha thing is an iceburg situation. People meming the Martha thing are only looking at whats above the surface. Martha, same name, best friends, hahahahha.  There is a handful of things that happen in that scene. Batman sees Superman as a man, has a mother, has people that love him. He see's himself killing someone, and/or letting someone elses mom die. His rage is blocked for a moment and starts to peice together events and sees he has been played. Ect. This all from just the shock of hearing his MOM's name in this strange moment. We all know how unlike Tony Stark, Batman's ENTIRE mythos revolves around his parents death.

- why would kryptonians carry kryptonite on their ship if it weakens them?

4. Kryptonite is a radioactive mineral from Krytpon. Not much of a stretch to find a radioactive material on a space ship, or world engine. Also they were not superbeings on their planet. Hardly notice it I imagine.

- why was lex luthor allowed full access to the ship site and zod's body without any supervision what so ever? he isnt a goverment official, why did he have access without even somebody saying "hey, what ya doin?"

5. Lex is a billianaire and gave some government officials what they wanted. Not a stretch. The government had it for 18 months, what was to let them believe that Lex would destroy the world. They would have taken all they thought htey could, he could. Your naivety reminds me of Jena Malones quote in the movie. "Stuff like this still shocking you is what makes you a good reporter" Though remove that good reporter, cause your questions make you sound like a horrible reporter.

- when superman and luise lane have sex, does she call him daddy?

6. Grow up

- lex wanted to kill superman because he was afraid he could use his power to destroy or hurt humanity. so his answer to that was to create a monster that is even stronger than superman to kill superman... then kill humanity... how does this make sense?

7. Lex gave many reasons for his hatred of superman. Not one of them was for his power to destroy the world. That was Batman's reasons.  Also the movie hints taht Lex expected Doomsday to obay him due to his blood. He sure didn't expect doomsday to instantly try and kill him.

- lex knew batman had the kryptonite that was stolen from him, what would lex have done if batman actually killed superman using it, what was going to happen with doomsday then?

8. Fairly certain Lex wanted Batman to steal the kryptonite. And what do you mean what would he have done? For all we know he could have cancelled the doomsday. I mean his timer eneded before the countdown did. Maybe he could have said cancel to the machine. I mean at the end of the countdown, the ship shocks the embryo with energy, like a frankenstein awakening. I would assume that him saying cancel, woudl have prevented that action adn Doomsday not coming to be.

- lex has been spying on wonder woman for a long time, digging up kryptonite and doing all sorts of shit, why didnt he have one fucking security guard to guard his data? which could have been stolen within just 7 minutes

9. Pretty sure he wanted Batman to steal his data. I'm sure Mercy Graves told him that Bruce was there, and Lex knows who Bruce is. Did you notice in the Batman training montage and when he was making the spear, that he was using Lex's database to help him make his weapons. Also Lex mentioning to him at the party that they shoudl team up and Bruce shoudl see what his R&D team has been up to.

- how did lex know how to create doomsday? how was it even possible? why would the kryptonian ship know how to do it, how does it even have the equipment to do it? how did lex even know what the fuck it was doing? what was doomsday made of, zods dead body and that water thing in the ship? this whole thing just doesnt make sense to me.

10. The ship said it has 100,000 worlds of knowledge. It's a kryptonian ship. Why would it not know how to make a kryptonian weapon. The ship woudl obviously have the tools to make it. It was a ship that had embryo's to make kryptonians in it. Recal from Man of Steel the ship. It wasn't a normal ship, it was one that could create life.

- if wonder womans sword could cut off doomsdays hand, why didnt they just use it to kill doomsday instead of the kryptonite? since it obviously can hurt it. 

11. Rewatch teh fight. Everytime the military hit it with gun fire, the spot it was hit with glowed red as it absorbed that energy and contined to become stronger. Then when Wonder Woman and Superman were both fighting it, each sword cut, shield bash, superman punch also made a red glow where it connected. Doomsday was also absorbing and taking that info in to become stronger. Hell when she cut off his hand it grew back to be stronger. That is Doomsday. Cutting off his head would not have worked. He would have just regrown a body and been stronger

- why would batman drag doomsday back to the city near the spear, when he could have just quickly flied there and back to where doomsday was with the spear? it would have been a lot easier for him to just go get it and come back to doomsday.

12. He coudl have left and gone and grabbed the spear, but while he was flying away and grabbing the spear, Doomsday woudl not have sat still waiting. So while Batman is off finding a spear doomsday is killing thousands in teh city. Batman finds the spear and then rushes to doomsday. Might not be as easy/possible to lure him away from the city again. If anything complain about Batman not trying to find spear as Superman/Wonder Woman fight. 

- after being in space, and a fucking nuke hitting and exploding doomsday and superman from beneath, how did doomsday return back to earth? when there was no gravity to pull him, the nuke's explosion logically pushing him further into space (not sure if that makes sense even, can a nuke explode in space?), and his entire momentum pushing him further away from earth?  shouldnt he have drifted away in space?

13. No point even bother with this. A F*ing nuke blew up in their faces, they are super beings, who knows how this would react. Heck the explosion could have ended and he being still alive could have kicked off of superman towards earth. Who cares.

- how did wonder woman come to lex's party in the first place? wasnt she laying low? then how did she get invited to the party? 

14. Who knows how she was invited. Why don't you ask how anyone else was invited. She is a freaking 5,000 year old lady. Probably snuck in. WHo's going to turn away a sexy lady. 

- why did people think superman killed those people in the desert when they were shot, why would superman even use a gun? the guy can shoot lasers out of his fucking eyes. 

15. The bodies were burnt. Watch the Ultimate cut

- i still dont know if people knew that superman was clark kent. it doesnt make sense if they couldnt tell. not one bit.
16. Oldest pointless complaint in the book. 

Is it just me, or does it feel like most haters of this feel have to be people that have zero comprehension ability. It's all in the movie, or simple thinking to explain all of these.

This is the only worthwhile comment in this thread.



bananaking21 on 01 July 2016
Hynad said:

Seems lile a lot of movie goers can't connect the dots unless it's spoon fed to them.

i mean it cant be that the movie is badly directed right? its just the the majority of people are to blame here.