The Starks are the "good guys" in the show still. They're just in a bad, bad world, and have had to toughen up, but I don't really buy that the show ever really pushes any of the Starks to be bad guys.

The only bad guy who was a Stark was Theon, and that's only because he's not a real Stark.

a true masterpiece!! Ramsay Bolton was such an amazing bad guy, great acting

You can't judge a family member by their name. That's like saying Tyrion is bad, or thinking that Jaime ISNT going to become a hero.

It's been revealed to us, multiple times throughout the show, that Ned Stark isn't exactly a good guy. He tries to be but still makes big mistakes.

- Sleeping with a whore when he was married to Catelyn 

- Judging Jamie harshly which gave him the name Kingslayer when all he was trying to do was saving the people of the city

- Brann visions revealed that Ned lied about defeating that strong fighter, when in reality, he cheated to defeat him. Meanwhile, Jamie refused to fight Ned when he was injured in season 1.

- God knows what happened in that tower but I don't expect it to be kind to Ned's past

And Robb fucked up hard when he married that girl from Volantos, he literally screwed his supporters for selfish gains.

I love this aspect of the Starks storyline, no one stays good in this world and we all do bad stuff. Stop being anal and pretending you're honorable and be cool about it like Jamie.

Jamie is a realist who actually likes being a good guy, but he doesn't dwell too much over it. There are no gods, the world will never be peaceful so why does it matter if I kill a guy or two to escape or win a battle or whatever. Unlike Cersei, who enjoys being a horrible person.

I was a bit harsh on the "not a lot will be remembered", but I still think that this season was pretty boring, with I admit 2 big events (Jon Snow, even really predictable, and Hodor), the rest is usual stuff. Having read the books, the Kingsmoot is a kid version of the real event, and Bran's visions are mainly stuff we've known for a long long time but were just never said in the show until now. I've always talked every week about the last episode with my friends (huge fans of the series for years), and after the episode 8, the consensus about the season for us was "boring". Maybe we expected too much of the first season ahead of the book, when they in fact still try to catch up on some storylines and kill other stories to simplify the plot.

@lurker
Ned was never a bad guy. He's a lawful good. He's like the paragon of hero. The whore thing never happened, as we will soon find out.
The Jaime thing, yeah that was fucked up, but wasn't done to purposefully be an asshole. I'm sure we will see what happens this coming episode. Killing a king is something that is simply dishonorable. It's doubly messed up that he basically did the same thing to the sword of the morning. But, it doesn't make him a bad guy. Just makes him stubborn and somewhat of a hypocrite.

And Robb wasn't a bad guy, but he did break an oath.

I believe Jaime was a villain at the beginning of the show. He may not have always been until the kingslayer bit. He's a total asshole, but he's loyal and loves his family a lot (a bit too much wink wink). Over the course of the show we've seen him take a heel-face turn. He's realizing that what he believed in was wrong. He even held an oath to catelyn, and it's pretty apparent he and brienne get along more than well.

Would you consider Jamie to be Chaotic Good? Or perhaps Chaotic Neutral, that's my understanding from my D&D days anyway. But I'm leaning more towards CG, CN characters are borderline and less predictable by nature than CG. Ned was Lawful Good for sure, he was good to a fault, I've played and played with characters who made ridiculous decisions and/or sacrifices due to being LG.

Jamie's good side was shown way before he told Brienne about the origins of the Nickname "kingslayer". 

He refused to fight Ned when he was injured. He argued fiercely with his father over it. He also was very kind to his brother and stood for him against Cersei. 

I think we agree more than we disagree on this, Jamie is a realist who sees life for what it is.

RAMSAY , needs to be given way more props for
also people cant fault jon for trying to rescue hs bro , that really was a heartfelt moment , he knew it was inevitable but at least rickon died knowing jon loved him
sansa props to her but she shouldve have mentioned her plan
OH AND LOL , KHALEESI STORY WAS STILL EASILY the most boring part

THE STARKS ARE GOOD NOT PERFECT

THeres a difference