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Runa216 said:
Lawlight said:

Because it's not just a Captain America movie. Iron Man was featured just as heavily in the marketing.

It is definitely a Captain America movie through and through.  Yes, it features Iron Man, but the plot centers around Captain America, it's all about his struggles and what he overcomes, and the primary characters the film focuses on by both screen time and tonal weight is Captain America and Winter Soldier.  

It's both, but it's MORE of a Captain America movie.  

The movie brings together 8 Avengers and then 3 other characters who have or will have their own solo movie. As I said, it's not a Captain America movie just like Age of Ultron isn't an Iron Man movie even though he's the cornerstone of the movie. Cap might have a bigger role but the movie doesn't just rely on him.



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Lawlight said:
crissindahouse said:

It still has Captain America in the name which is a problem for some people around the world as much as it would be a problem for some Americans to have a Marvel movie called  "Captain Russia". That would surely hurt ticket sales in USA. 

You are right though, the real The Avenger movies are more successful but not every movie can reach $1.4 billion+

Word of Mouth is surely not the problem for Civil War if it won't  reach numbers of something like Age of Ultron which was pretty mehhh and still got that high...

If word of mouth isn't the problem, them superhero fatigue is. That's the only way to explain why it's tracking below Age of Ultron.

The name alone ensures that it won't reach these numbers. It might be an Avengers movie for you, doesn't change that the title alone suggests that it is a lot about Captain America and this name doesn't really help to sell a movie to some people around the world (it will also help with some people but less)

It might be also some kind of fatigue after already three movies released this year before Civil War and some people waiting for X-Men instead because it releases so short after Civil War but yeah, it is also the name which hurts it. 

Or don't you think there are people in many countries who see that name and are already like "uhhhrghh" ? 

It will be a combination of a lot of stuff. Some fatigue, the title, first awesome weather over a week in many European countries and maybe even Age of Ultron (or even BvS) which many people didn't like that much so that some didn't want to pay for this one since for some people, it's still "only" a superhero movie and nothing more. Not everyone is a fan of a specific company, universe, superhero or whatever to support the next superhero movie even after they had a bad experience.



Lawlight said:
Runa216 said:

It is definitely a Captain America movie through and through.  Yes, it features Iron Man, but the plot centers around Captain America, it's all about his struggles and what he overcomes, and the primary characters the film focuses on by both screen time and tonal weight is Captain America and Winter Soldier.  

It's both, but it's MORE of a Captain America movie.  

The movie brings together 8 Avengers and then 3 other characters who have or will have their own solo movie. As I said, it's not a Captain America movie just like Age of Ultron isn't an Iron Man movie even though he's the cornerstone of the movie. Cap might have a bigger role but the movie doesn't just rely on him.

The title of this film is: "Captain America: Civil War"

The title of the other is "Avengers: Age of Ultron"

Average moviegoers don't necessarily know that this means that Civil War has almost all f the avengers (Especially since Hulk is one of the more known characters and Thor is beloved).  Yeah, the numbers reflect the fact that MORE people are interested in it because Iron Man is in it, but the central conflict is still the struggle of Captain America in a movie titled "Captan America: Civil War".  So...yeah.  PRetty staightforward, it's impressive how far you are willing to go to twist this into a disappointment.  

I mean, given the quality of the film I do wish it was doing better.  Upon my third viewing I feel it may be the best film in the MCU and deserves Force Awakens level of money, but given the audience perception, that's not something to be overlooked.  It's still a Captain America movie in the eyes of most and fRankly I'm amazed it's doing this well with that title. 



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crissindahouse said:
Civil War surpassed Zootopia WW for the number 1 spot this year.

Damn impressive.  Will be hitting 1 billion worldwide some time this weekend!  Let's see how far it goes. 

I still believe we're looking at somewhere in between Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron.  I expect between 1250 and 1300



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I believe the movie will underperform. It's still tracking behind Age of Ultron in the US by $19M. Probably $1.3B if it has good legs in the US now that it's international run is nearing it's end. My prediction is that it's going to make $80M WW over the week-end.



Lawlight said:
I believe the movie will underperform. It's still tracking behind Age of Ultron in the US by $19M. Probably $1.3B if it has good legs in the US now that it's international run is nearing it's end. My prediction is that it's going to make $80M WW over the week-end.

How is this underperforming? Again it isn't called Avengers: Civil War, it is called Captain America: Civil War, or is it okay to call Batman v Superman super underperforming when it had key heavy hitters in the film, and Deadpool super overperforming, when it had only had deadpool as the heavy hitter? 



 

Civil War will likely be the highest grossing film of 2016. If Disney is unhappy with that they have unrealistic expectations, especially given how crowded the super hero genre has become in recent years.

My guess is Disney is thrilled with their film division in 2016 and far more concerned about declining cable revenue from ESPN.



Acevil said:
Lawlight said:
I believe the movie will underperform. It's still tracking behind Age of Ultron in the US by $19M. Probably $1.3B if it has good legs in the US now that it's international run is nearing it's end. My prediction is that it's going to make $80M WW over the week-end.

How is this underperforming? Again it isn't called Avengers: Civil War, it is called Captain America: Civil War, or is it okay to call Batman v Superman super underperforming when it had key heavy hitters in the film, and Deadpool super overperforming, when it had only had deadpool as the heavy hitter? 

BvS did underperform. No way those guys at Warner sat there a year ago and were like "not reaching $900m is a good performance with these two guys fighting against each other"

I also think Deadpool did overperform. I don't really believe many would have thought some month before release that it will make over $750m even without the second biggest market on the planet (and it didn't release in Japan yet so some million more to come). 

Absolutely no idea what the guys at Disney expected from Civil War. Surely a lot more than from Winter Soldier but I think not as much as from The Avengers. Did they expect Age of Ultron numbers? I think they expected little bit less but not much less. They know that the name "Captain America" doesn't really excite too many people around the globe even when people know that there are also Iron Man and the likes in that movie so that it should perfom lower. Not to forget all the other superhero movies releasing before and after it which will also kill some ticket sales. 

Lawlight seems to think $1.3 billion is underperforming. I doubt that this is underperforming if you understand how some people around the world think about a movie called after a guy named Captain America. But I think that $1.2-1.3 billion would be also not something Disney would call a huge success. Only something pretty much in the expected range.

Well, that's what I think about the real opinions from the managers of these companies, not what they will tell the public. The public will only hear how everything is so awesome. 



crissindahouse said:
Acevil said:

How is this underperforming? Again it isn't called Avengers: Civil War, it is called Captain America: Civil War, or is it okay to call Batman v Superman super underperforming when it had key heavy hitters in the film, and Deadpool super overperforming, when it had only had deadpool as the heavy hitter? 

BvS did underperform. No way those guys at Warner sat there a year ago and were like "not reaching $900m is a good performance with these two guys fighting against each other"

I also think Deadpool did overperform. I don't really believe many would have thought some month before release that it will make over $750m even without the second biggest market on the planet (and it didn't release in Japan yet so some million more to come). 

Absolutely no idea what the guys at Disney expected from Civil War. Surely a lot more than from Winter Soldier but I think not as much as from The Avengers. Did they expect Age of Ultron numbers? I think they expected little bit less but not much less. They know that the name "Captain America" doesn't really excite too many people around the globe even when people know that there are also Iron Man and the likes in that movie so that it should perfom lower. Not to forget all the other superhero movies releasing before and after it which will also kill some ticket sales. 

Lawlight seems to think $1.3 billion is underperforming. I doubt that this is underperforming if you understand how some people around the world think about a movie called after a guy named Captain America. But I think that $1.2-1.3 billion would be also not something Disney would call a huge success. Only something pretty much in the expected range.

Well, that's what I think about the real opinions from the managers of these companies, not what they will tell the public. The public will only hear how everything is so awesome. 

I should have used more adjectives, I meant both movies are even better or worse off by his own very logic. Not simply underpeforming, but highly underperforming. Same with the over.