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lair is a great game. i will buy it. and you delusional fanboys anti-sony are a little weird......



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kber81 said:
BenKenobi88 said:
And yes, it still has the potential for bad press though....the end product is still an unknown...I'm still suspicious.

I believe press is everything for PS3 games. Anything below 8/10 is an instant kiss of death.


That is just the problem with a system that has such a small userbase.

Small userbases are disproportionately made up of hard-core gamers; this means that they're very likely to own multiple systems and be very well informed. This gamer is going to be aware of reviews before the game is released, and may have played a demo, and if the game is not particularly good will not buy it.



HappySqurriel said:

That is just the problem with a system that has such a small userbase.

Small userbases are disproportionately made up of hard-core gamers; this means that they're very likely to own multiple systems and be very well informed. This gamer is going to be aware of reviews before the game is released, and may have played a demo, and if the game is not particularly good will not buy it.


That's the point. Lamer will not pay $800 for game machine... (ok, few kids bought Spider-man 3 but that doesn't count...) The quality bar is set very high but I think devs know it.



piratikkio said:
lair is a great game. i will buy it. and you delusional fanboys anti-sony are a little weird......

 Have you played it? I know you havent, so how can you comment on whether it is a good game or not?

 

Only time will tell if its good or bad 



windbane said:
albionus said:
I think there are quite a few other games that could be added to the overhyped on video game forums list. I have to say God of War is the overhyped game that bugs me the most. Reading reviews of it and listening to Sony fanboys it's God's gift to gamers, one of the greatest series of all time, etc etc etc, and yet GoW1&2&3&PSP combined will likely fall in the range of Halo alone in sales. Sales-wise (I don't care about how great the game is or isn't since that's different for everyone) I think Lair, Heavenly Sword, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Bioshock and the rest will also fail to light up the charts. They'll do alright, but they'll be more Lost Planet/Crackdown (if that) and less Gears of War/Halo.

Oh, I see, so the quality of the game is judged by sales alone. Gotcha.

Have you even played God of War? (Don't worry, I expect you to say you don't like it, even if you did play it, but I decided to ask the trap question anyway).

EDIT: And which Halo alone do you mean? GoW1 sold 2.5 million alone, and GoW2 is just now out in Europe. 6.43, 7.89 are the sales for Halo 1 and 2. Seems to me that the third GoW game will surpass 6.43 and the 4th will pass up 7.89. I'm just glad that sales alone determine the quality of a game, though, because that means Halo sucks compared to Pokemon.

EDIT2:  And just to stay on topic...Lair isn't overhyped because some people are excited about it.  Most of the people that are excited about Lair are probably more excited by one of those games listed.  Choosing between a lot of games you like doesn't mean that a low percentage for one game is bad.  You know what is overhyped by VGChartz members?  A lot of things. 

Ouch, hit a fanboy nerve there .  Yes I believe I was pretty clear that I don't judge whether a game is great based on what reviewers or some people think because that's different for everyone.  Sales is generally a much better indicator if the hype was well placed (it's a little more complicated but that'll suffice for here). Psyconauts comes to mind as a game that a had a fair amount of hype and great reviews but failed to sell well (even though I played it and think it's great). 

GoW1 sold all of 2.5 million, what Animal Crossing did on the GCN.  GoW2 is already falling off the charts at 1 million in the US so it'll maybe hit GoW1 levels.  GoW:3&PSP will have a hard time doing more than 1.5 million due to much smaller and fragmented user bases.  That would put the franchise in the range of 6.5-8.5 million or in range of a single Halo game.  I wouldn't play GoW myself, button mashing gore fests aren't my cup of tea.  That doesn't mean I'm disputing whether some people think it's great, just that the sales don't live up the hype that surrounds it.
As for the point of this thread I don't think those games will live up the sales figures of their hype, just too many games and not enough users for the systems they will be on.  Some will also undoutedly fail to live up to the hype in all regards, if the early reviews are any indication Lair is the prime candidate for that.  One or two could break out into the Gears of War level though.
Sorry about the botched paragraph format, can't seem to get them to seperate correctly.


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Have people seen these comments from the Penny Arcade crew? I usually find them very reliable in their game evaluation...

http://www.penny-arcade.com/ 

"I have no time for Lair, I'm afraid. My limited playtime with the game has only encouraged me to further limit said playtime, throttling this value until it reaches zero. As one of the long-known exclusives, a kind of cult has formed around the game - one whose creed hinges on the glorious arrival of their reptile saint. It is a weird hunger, one quite outside reality, and it would be best to manage those expectations before their piss-smelling vagrant messiah stumbles into the retail channel.

If anyone is still wondering what happened to E3, if there is still some dogged constable seeking them what dunnit, you need look no further than Sony's recent Gamer's Day coverage. The channel is open wide - the channel is actually gaping - when high density, high impact Sony press entirely floods the channel. No wrestling with competitors, no wry comparisons, no public opinion metagame to "win." As of this writing, the first eight pages of Gametrailers are jammed almost exclusively with Sony content. And what did the event cost - a tenth? A twentieth?

Luckily for the Playstation stalwart, they no longer need Lair. You should return to said Eight Pages of Gametrailers if you want to see clips which can actually indicate the quality of a next-generation title. RPG action adventures where you yank out souls with the Sixaxis? Warhawk and a new Socom, digitally delivered? Eye of Judgement? Heavenly Sword, LittleBigPlanet? Home, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank? No Microsoft expenditure could secure them, for the mark of Sony burns upon their brow. This is their Holiday Lineup, but I believe that we may rightly call it a phalanx."

...

So in other words, there are plenty of excellent titles coming out for the PS3 - and Lair is not one of them. I think they have had a lot more time with the game (hands-on) than any of us.

 

 



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rocketpig said:
Yes, Lair has been massively overhyped by Sony apologists clamoring for a hit game. It's not the type of game that will attract people in large numbers to a console. To compare it to the 360 lineup, I would put it somewhere at the Bioshock level of interest. It has a niche following and may be a great game, but there isn't a lot of mass consumer interest in it. For the PS3/360, I'd put system sellers in this order:

1. GTA IV (will move units for both systems)
2. Halo 3
3. Blue Dragon
4. Heavenly Sword (somehow not even on that list)
5. Mass Effect
6. Uncharted
7. Bioshock/Lair

I intentionally left off Lost Odyssey because I'm still not certain that it will even release this year, despite promises from Mistwalker.

hey dont bring x360 games in the scene.

this is new gen.

no time for cartoon halo 3 and Bd(massive flop in japan).

mass effect???????????????//

hahahahhahhhahaa

lol is that even a game?

after SGD 360 is simply blown away by HS/UNCHARTED and LAIR



larry said:
rocketpig said:
Yes, Lair has been massively overhyped by Sony apologists clamoring for a hit game. It's not the type of game that will attract people in large numbers to a console. To compare it to the 360 lineup, I would put it somewhere at the Bioshock level of interest. It has a niche following and may be a great game, but there isn't a lot of mass consumer interest in it. For the PS3/360, I'd put system sellers in this order:

1. GTA IV (will move units for both systems)
2. Halo 3
3. Blue Dragon
4. Heavenly Sword (somehow not even on that list)
5. Mass Effect
6. Uncharted
7. Bioshock/Lair

I intentionally left off Lost Odyssey because I'm still not certain that it will even release this year, despite promises from Mistwalker.

hey dont bring x360 games in the scene.

this is new gen.

no time for cartoon halo 3 and Bd(massive flop in japan).

mass effect???????????????//

hahahahhahhhahaa

lol is that even a game?

after SGD 360 is simply blown away by HS/UNCHARTED and LAIR


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Just looking at that poll... the games have the big amount of votes are games from a series, MGS4, FFXIII etc.... everyone knows who these games are. The rest of the games dont have much votes either :/ Also, Im looking forward to LAIR but out of those games i would put lair low down on the list too - but LAIR is out before alot of them so its a bit unfair comparing them