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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - It's November 21st 2016. The NX is out and more powerful than the PS4. Are 3rd parties on board?

 

3rd party multiplats

Support the NX 224 41.87%
 
Ignore the NX 311 58.13%
 
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ratchet426 on 05 January 2016
Nighthawk117 said:
It's Nov. 21, 2016 and the PS4 has a sales lead of 45m over the NX. Who do you think 3rd parties are gonna support? Duh.

PS4 is at 36m now, and UC4 is landing in April. I think it's going to be more than a 45m sales lead by Nov 21.

Also, by then PS4 will probably be $249 with 1Tb hd standard.

 



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jonathanalis on 05 January 2016

very difficult to aproach these specs and price, but if thet achieve that, i think third party would jump on.
At least at the beggining of NX, for 1 or 2 years. if the games sell reasonably well, they woudl keep making games.
but is the only chance to get thirds again.



Dr.Henry_Killinger on 05 January 2016

If its not x86 fat chance.



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oniyide on 05 January 2016
Wyrdness said:
Nope or at least not western ones, graphics were never the issue it was just an excuse they moved onto, the problem is that the way third parties themselves have approached Nintendo platforms has lead to the userbase mainly buying them exclusively for what comes from Nintendo themselves and the people who fall in this category have a very distinct taste in gaming. This means that the likes of COD and AC won't sell that well let alone every year because people aren't buying the platform for yearly installments, Rayman Legends on Wii U outsold both COD games on the same platform combined for reference.

This means third parties will always be reluctant no matter what, the second issue is business approach, Nintendo uses an approach where they make money in the long run on sales which is the opposite of the AAA craze most developers cling to as with the latter most sales are needed upfront to recover costs. This again is where userbase is an issue as they don't rush out to buy the games day 1 they buy them over time hence why first party games display long legs when it comes to sales.

The only third parties I can see being on board would eastern developers as Nintendo are indestructible in Japan and even with the Wii U not being handled properly they're on a tear over there, if NX has a portable variant that's also executed right then it's no contest third parties will be on board.

thats an odd game to compare them too, as its not like Rayman did gangbusters on Wii U anyway. It was still outsold by the PS3 AND PS4 version. Sure we could use the excuse that PS3 has a bigger user base(not what people were saying when they swore teh Wii U one would sell the best since thats the "definitive" version but i digress). But whats PS4 excuse? it came out later.

Edit: on another note, 3rd parties approach to Nintendo was never the problem. Nintendo's approach to 3rd parties is the issue, the onus is on Ninty to get those games on the system if they so choose. 3rd parties are not obligated to jump through hoops to support one platform especially when it has already been proven that they could do much better on 3 other platforms



zorg1000 on 05 January 2016
oniyide said:
Wyrdness said:
Nope or at least not western ones, graphics were never the issue it was just an excuse they moved onto, the problem is that the way third parties themselves have approached Nintendo platforms has lead to the userbase mainly buying them exclusively for what comes from Nintendo themselves and the people who fall in this category have a very distinct taste in gaming. This means that the likes of COD and AC won't sell that well let alone every year because people aren't buying the platform for yearly installments, Rayman Legends on Wii U outsold both COD games on the same platform combined for reference.

This means third parties will always be reluctant no matter what, the second issue is business approach, Nintendo uses an approach where they make money in the long run on sales which is the opposite of the AAA craze most developers cling to as with the latter most sales are needed upfront to recover costs. This again is where userbase is an issue as they don't rush out to buy the games day 1 they buy them over time hence why first party games display long legs when it comes to sales.

The only third parties I can see being on board would eastern developers as Nintendo are indestructible in Japan and even with the Wii U not being handled properly they're on a tear over there, if NX has a portable variant that's also executed right then it's no contest third parties will be on board.

thats an odd game to compare them too, as its not like Rayman did gangbusters on Wii U anyway. It was still outsold by the PS3 AND PS4 version. Sure we could use the excuse that PS3 has a bigger user base(not what people were saying when they swore teh Wii U one would sell the best since thats the "definitive" version but i digress). But whats PS4 excuse? it came out later.

Why does it need to outsell all other versions? Why does everything have to be number 1? The game sold more than the Xbox/Vita versions and basically tied with the PS3 version while not being all that far behind the PS4 version. It shows that a game like Rayman can be a success on Nintendo platforms because it appeals to the people who play Nintendo games like Mario, Yoshi, Kirby, Donkey Kong. U want to have successful games on a platform than release games that appeal to the fan base of said platform.



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oniyide on 06 January 2016
zorg1000 said:
oniyide said:

thats an odd game to compare them too, as its not like Rayman did gangbusters on Wii U anyway. It was still outsold by the PS3 AND PS4 version. Sure we could use the excuse that PS3 has a bigger user base(not what people were saying when they swore teh Wii U one would sell the best since thats the "definitive" version but i digress). But whats PS4 excuse? it came out later.

Why does it need to outsell all other versions? Why does everything have to be number 1? The game sold more than the Xbox/Vita versions and basically tied with the PS3 version while not being all that far behind the PS4 version. It shows that a game like Rayman can be a success on Nintendo platforms because it appeals to the people who play Nintendo games like Mario, Yoshi, Kirby, Donkey Kong. U want to have successful games on a platform than release games that appeal to the fan base of said platform.

 

the game wasnt really that successfull though, which is why i was wondering why he brought it up. its a 3rd party game multiplat game so its fair game to bring it up the other versions. As i bet Ubi is looking at ALL the SKUs and not just one. Yes Rayman would have a better appeal on Wii U than COD and AC, but even then...

Edit: to that version's credit. it did better than the Wii version fo Origins in a shorter time and much smaller user base, so thats cool



Cloudman on 06 January 2016

Uuuuhh... I think 3rd parties would play a 'wait and see' approach..? If the console gains a lot of sales and builds up a nice base, I think there is a good chance Ninten can get those 3rd parties in, but I think Ninten needs to get in talks with them. Making all the right moves isn't enough for Ninten. They gotta give 3rd parties some love and care too. They may have to buy some exclusives as well. 3rd parties aren't going to budge from an already successful console easy, especially with Sony, so it will take some work.



 

              

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wombat123 on 06 January 2016
Wyrdness said:
Nope or at least not western ones, graphics were never the issue it was just an excuse they moved onto, the problem is that the way third parties themselves have approached Nintendo platforms has lead to the userbase mainly buying them exclusively for what comes from Nintendo themselves and the people who fall in this category have a very distinct taste in gaming. This means that the likes of COD and AC won't sell that well let alone every year because people aren't buying the platform for yearly installments, Rayman Legends on Wii U outsold both COD games on the same platform combined for reference.

This means third parties will always be reluctant no matter what, the second issue is business approach, Nintendo uses an approach where they make money in the long run on sales which is the opposite of the AAA craze most developers cling to as with the latter most sales are needed upfront to recover costs. This again is where userbase is an issue as they don't rush out to buy the games day 1 they buy them over time hence why first party games display long legs when it comes to sales.

The only third parties I can see being on board would eastern developers as Nintendo are indestructible in Japan and even with the Wii U not being handled properly they're on a tear over there, if NX has a portable variant that's also executed right then it's no contest third parties will be on board.

I would argue that one of the biggest reasons Rayman sold well in comparison to COD is that Rayman Legends was a featured title during the Wii U's launch and in a genre (platformers) that Nintendo created a large audience for.

Speaking of CoD, it makes me wonder why Nintendo didn't do more to help grow the 1st person shooter audience on Nintendo platforms when there was a definite demand that was cultivated by Rare and Acclaim during the N64 era with games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and Turok.



Cobretti2 on 06 January 2016
oniyide said:

thats an odd game to compare them too, as its not like Rayman did gangbusters on Wii U anyway. It was still outsold by the PS3 AND PS4 version. Sure we could use the excuse that PS3 has a bigger user base(not what people were saying when they swore teh Wii U one would sell the best since thats the "definitive" version but i digress). But whats PS4 excuse? it came out later.

Edit: on another note, 3rd parties approach to Nintendo was never the problem. Nintendo's approach to 3rd parties is the issue, the onus is on Ninty to get those games on the system if they so choose. 3rd parties are not obligated to jump through hoops to support one platform especially when it has already been proven that they could do much better on 3 other platforms

 

From memory some Nintendo fans had a PMS moment and said they will not buy the game any more because it was delayed LOL.

On the other side of the coin they did not acknowledge that when Ubisoft delayed Rayman, they also annouced three other games on Wii U that were multiplatforms as a gesture of good faith. I was stocked to see Assasins Creed IV, Watch Dogs and Splinter Cell annouced. 



 

 

Nem on 06 January 2016
Illusion said:
Nem said:
And then you wake up! :D

I doubt 3rd parties will be on board like they are on the Xbox. They will wait for the installed base. The installed base won't be more than the Wii U without 3rd party support, etc.
The only way out to that conundrum is to have a system that captures the casual market. Then it has the installed base, then 3rd parties release some shovelware, doesnt sell. They abandon the system.

You know, it changes nothing. A new home console is not a way to save anyone. It will just be another Dreamcast.

 

3rd parties won't necessarily have to wait for the NX to build a sufficient install base before they start releasing games for it.  If there is enough hype around the unveiling of the console and there is a feeling that Nintendo is on to something with the NX then some 3rd parties will start developing for it long before it reaches the 20-30 million install base and maybe even before the console releases just because they can see its potential.  It's like any investment: if you wait for something to fully develop then you are already too late to make money.  3rd party developers are no different, if they think that the NX has potential to be huge they will want to develop for it first just to beat their own competitors to a new platform.

Now, Nintendo can definitely help themselves here by making the NX easy and cheap to port game onto, but I believe that the biggest factor deciding whether the NX will get 3rd party support will be whether the overlying concept of the NX takes off and garners popularity.  If it does, then both gamers and 3rd party developers will come to the NX at the same time (they have a symbiotic relationship, afterall).  I do not believe that nintendo necessarily needs to target casuals to do this, either.

 

I got an easy answer for that one. It won't have hype cause first of all, its very unlikely that Nintendo will make such a system in that time frame. And it's also unlikely anyone will make a huge investment on it. They will port some old stuff and test the waters. We all know how well that works on Nintendo systems.

Tbh, Nintendo should stick to portables, if their plan to suceed is anywhere near this knee jerk reaction fans wish for in the internet. The home console NX, to happen under these conditions would likely be as sucessful as the Wii U.

To win back market share Nintendo has to plan it in a much better way and has to launch at the same time as its competitors. Mid generation systems never work.

Only hope is to get a gimmick that appeals to the casuals like the Wii. At least Nintendo themselves make rivers of money with it.