intel, you mean you should get an INTEL cpu.  they are far superior to amds, but well they arent cheap.

you can play most multiplats with a that amd cpu(the consoles have weak cpus too), BUT alot of pc exclusives will not run well because they need alot of cpu power.

Aye I definitely would not consider that bundle of cheap parts a next gen crusher, I mean sure it might have 8gb of Ram but that is going to be eaten alive by an OS unless you happen to want linux (lol game support) or steamOS when its ready. I know X1 and PS4 both have fairly heft OS's running on their memory as well but it isn't DDR3 and isn't nearly as much as Win7/8/10 would consume, also Windows is no where near as good at taking the resources for a Game as a console would be from the OS.

Again don't get me wrong, I agree you can make a good PC for little money, but going to PC part picker and trying to get the biggest on paper specs for the least money is not a good idea... heck even the comparison of the 1x8gb stick of memory compared to going with a 2x4gb pair would give such better performance.

the ram shouldnt be the problem. most games dont need much system ram.  but i would go with a r9 280 and not a 270x, sure the 280 is 20$ more, but its an amd gold card and not a silver card so you get a free game more, so it doesnt make a difference, and the 280 is the better card without a doubt.

Lol spread lies (a pc will want an OS and a keyboard/mouse) my sides. I've said a load of times I agree that you can game on a PC cheap, but I just pointed out that pointing people to a bunch of pieces missing parts is not a great way to introduce people to PC gaming, for the first time buyer into PC gaming it would sadly be easier for them to get a better experience by buying a pre-built "gaming PC" shelling out the extra bit of cash and not having to deal with some issues that'll pop up from doing a custom build.

That said, I've no interest in Angst ------ so I'll leave you to it, just please if you are introducing more people to the world of PC gaming, don't make it a rocky road into the field and I would say they would have a far more enjoyable experience.

Oh the comment about using splitting $20 between mouse/keyboard for gaming, I would very much disagree with that again from a good experience point of view, not that it isn't possible at all.

I do not think, realistically, that there is any indication whatsoever that "most gamers prefer PC over consoles" today. Any more than there is any real evidence of "most gamers prefer mobile games over handhelds or consoles".

It's skewed data, because quite frankly, MOST people these days, in "developed"/"first world" countries, have computers. And MOST people have cell phones, or even smartphones. A lot of those people are not "gamers", or consider themselves "gamers", yet many of them might at some point buy some kind of little game in an app store or wherever else, and play it on their computer or mobile device.

That is a symptom of popular mediums that people generally use for OTHER things than gaming, happening to have games available on them.

For GAMERS, while yes, there are a solid portion (especially now) who seem to "prefer" PC gaming (thanks mostly to the fact that, especially because of Steam, they can get ports of console games ON PC now, and play them WITH console controllers....making "PC gaming" kind of ironic), it's not a majority by any measure. Just look at the sales of PS4, or for that matter, the continuing sales of the 3DS.

We are not in any actual danger at this point in time, of consoles or handhelds going anywhere, or being "defeated" by PC or mobile gaming. Why? That's easy. Because there are millions of gamers, like myself and most of the others on these boards, who are going to prefer playing games on dedicated gaming machines, either on the go, or at home, on their couch, playing on a big screen TV.

Lies and Agenda, such strong words for such a remedial point.

Sorry you feel so defensive about this there really isn't a need, also my 2 points about the 1x8gb stick were that firstly just matching the memory of ps4/x1 wasn't a great for a PC since it's one of the cheapest things to increase in a build and simply matching spec for spec what is inside the box of the consoles would not yield identical results when a PC has a lot more going than just a game machine. Even if you were to go for 8gb then it would make zero sense to go for a single stick over a 2x4gb setup which would yield 1-2% speed increase across the board with the PC performance. Alas that goes into more of how a motherboard works than following a build on PC part picker in terms of "what someone on the internet says is a console beater".

But yeah, no interest in salt really if you think I'm spreading lies and have a secret agenda to get the world to hate PCs.... well yeah I don't fancy wasting time trying to prove I'm not in the console illuminati.

lol at the Vitriol in the this thread.

So this is talking about hardware? By PC market do they mean anyone who buys a laptop/computer which makes it this entirely redundant or are they just looking at individual components that are bought(still kind of redundant)?

GPUs alone can cost 3x the price of the PS4 so looking at revenue alone is a bit of a miss and the article provides no context,

Software wise we know AAAs do significantly better on console, we also know PC has a much wider variety of software and huge markerts for FTP and MMOs. What are people even arguing over?

A fair few people have pointed it out a few times durin the thread that it's the same as suggesting that everyone who has a mobile phone has moved to using that now as their gaming device because it's possible to play candy crush on it as such everyone who had a psp or DS is now going to be exclusively moving to game on their phone. It is painful logic.

Both PC/Consoles/Mobiles all have their places, trying to compare certain numbers from each market against the other 2 will only end badly.

There is surely overlapping to some degree amongst PC, consoles and other markets, but despite this, they are all different enough from each other to be able to grow quite independently. Even in the very competitive last gen, each platform was able to grow mainly for its own merits, while when they suffered it was mainly for their own faults.

I believe the mobile industry is growing faster than the PC industry since all people now are using mobile devices instead of PC when it comes to gaming. Mobiles are easier to access than PC. :) Just my opinion.