Good its time for sony and ms learn from steam

That or contrary to what you say you are OK with subpar quality... doesnt really matter.

Im actually part of a pretty large PC gaming community and I nevre build rigs for money. We are just friends helping eachother out. Its funny that actually having an objective idea (ie. someone who actually plays on everything he can get his hand on) is automatically put in a "fanboy" corner, depending on what we are discussing.

ITT: Horrible comparisons on both sides trying to invalidate the other. I mean, I saw people comparing the most hyped PC release of all time to a new IP for God's sake, not to mention the issue of comparing marketshares. I will say this before I bow out of this mess: You're all wrong, mobile is king!

Yep, PC revenue and console are about to match at around 24 billion, meanwhile mobile already passed that mark.


Mobile is king

"I just assambled a fairly good, mid-end PC worth 800 euros, and guess what, it has issues running Witcher 3 on highest settings in 1080p."

This is what I wrote. Witcher 3 still looks better on high settings on PC then the PS4 version, but it is still far from the maximum the game can give to you.

I know in the US some people will use Amazon and Tom's hardware to build a PC (we use different sites/shops in Romania, but the price are mostly similar), so here is an avrege setup:

Processor

GPU

RAM

MB

HDD

You also need a couple of other stuff, of course, like a cooler, case, maybe even a DVD drive and dare I say an SSD? Even so, the above components are somewhat over 800$ . And yes, you can opt for an AMD/ATI combo, and save some money, and you can balance it out more and get some extra performance but even so, this rig will not play you W3 on everything set on max on a playable framerate, and it will be obsolete in 2 years time. So yeah... I still stand by what I wrote earlier on and call out anyone who says that PC Gaming is worth the fuss if you have a sub 1000$ rig.

And yes, the reason why consoles are popular for gaming is because they do not cost as much hardware wise as a PC to actually enjoy them on their fullest, and many developers seem to like developing for consoles a whole lot.

The issue with the mopbile market is that even tough it is huge, no company can really sustain growth in it. Zynga is pretty much dead, Rovio is struggling and Gameloft just shut 7 of its studios this year. And believe me, if anyone is underfunding game development, it is Gameloft, and I know that as an ex-employee.

I don't know what scale they're using for the first one, but that machine comes out to almost $600 before rebates. And that's a year later looking for bargain parts.

As for the second ones, both are solid machines that still cost that much to build over a year later, meaning there still isn't a PC-equivalent to the PS4 for within  25% of the PS4's pricing.

So again, no. There wasn't a $500 PC last year that could match it.

To address the original point of the thread, though, it's just about impossible to judge consoles in their current state. 7th Generation saw a massive influx in "fleeting users" thanks to the Wii's mass-market appeal. Many of those soccer moms and grandparents did not invest in 8th generation, so we don't know where we stand with real market increase and deflation from fleeting sales. For an accurate estimate, we would have to wait for 8th to 9th Gen. As for the PC market's increase in gross revenue over console, much if it isn't due to PC themselves but to the Freemium business model. Games like Farmville and even the PC's messiah, League, have simply adopted business models that make more money than traditional business models. PC's mass embrace of this business model, along with the psychological warfare that is Steam Sales, is responsible for the increase. As console gaming begins to embrace these business models, there will likely be another shift in where money is spent.

Man. First oif all I do not own a PS4. I do own a gaming rig, and a fairly competent gaming laptop. I do like Sonys stance on the console industry, as my post history proves, and I am on this site for more then 8 years now. I have nothing to hide in this regards. And when it comes down to exclusives, a console IMO is simply a more comfortable choice. If you want to go on the PC route, you should opt for power IMO thats what I am trying to say.And on the plus size, you also have a device from which you can make a living to.

Also, when it comes down to raw power, it doesnt really matter what a PC can do. Show me a single 2005 PC (that is technically more powerfull then a PS3) that could run a game like UC3. That is the extra you are getting with a console: one configuration that is optimized for years to come.

Maybe I cam a bit harsh, vocal, even rude with my opinion (I have that tendency) but it is not an agenda. The closest thing I get to coinsole gaming these days is playing on a 17" screen PC games and even smaller screen when it comes to my 3DS (and rarely my Vita). In a prefect world if I would have all the time on my hand I would buy a 2000$+ PC, a PS4, Xone and WiiU. Funny thing is that it would be a waste of time, only playing on each of those 2 hours/month, with my work schedule.

Show me a single 2005 home console that could run a game like UC3. PS3 wasn't available until late 2006, here in Europe even after March 2007. ;)

And the PC situation at the start of the 7th console gen was much different than at the start of the 8th console gen. The Xbox360 was more powerful from the start than any (non-SLI) gaming PC... Core2Duo and 8800GTX weren't released yet. PS4 + XBO didn't top any non-SLI gaming PC in 2013. 

Dude, OP, you're making Naruto look bad..