Miyamoto just needs to freaking retire. Let him take his Mario and friends to retirement also.

Yeah, sure. Let's take a best-selling series to retirement, because YOU don't like it. Obviously a lot of people don't like it.

Actually I'm with you, I don't like Jump&Runs and therefore I don't like Mario. But is that reason enough to demand Mario-games should stop?

I did dislike GTA, Tomb Raider and Assassins Creed and think the money I put for these games were wasted (well, in the case of Tomb Raider it was PS Plus), but do I demand these series have to stop? Do I think I can't just ignore these games and enjoy other games like Borderlands, Thief, Demons Souls, Monster Hunter and so on?

What is the freaking problem some people have with Miyamoto and Mario? Just ignore them if you dislike them. Nobody forces you to buy Mario-games.

very well said and I agree with this completely. I own a Wii U and I have not been happy, I don't regret buying it but if I was a kid that saved up all my last dollars to get it, I might be pretty pissed off. I most likely will buy the next Nintendo console, However I have always owned them since the NES. Accept gamecube but my roomate owned it, so kind of. LOL  Back then i owned PS2 than had enough of sony and upgraded to Xbox, Been happy ever since.

Sent you a friend request! LOL

This i agree with, I sent them at least 10 messages throughout the years about making a damn achievement system out of The coins and every 100 coins, you get a damn star. How damn hard is this. I'm pissed off at nintendo. Achievement system was a wonderful Idea and Sony at least seen this imediately and followed a great idea. Nintendo was like, People love this Achievement system on the other systems,  Miyamoto: "Fuck achievements!" LOL

It's true that most developers try to make their games look as realitic as possible. But even then, there are a lot of approaches to that style.

And more and more game try to push artsy graphics styles.

And really, there is nothing wrong with a realistic graphics style. As long as it fits with the tone and mood of the game, what's the problem?

If you want colors, there are plenty of games, even realitic ones, that have colors. Uncharted being one of them.

Anyway... I don't see what's Miyamoto's problem with this. One could say that there are too many cutsy and cartoony Nintendo games and not enough realistic ones...

yeah I'm not on either extreme, the extreme that thinks the rest of the industry is complete garbage and there's only "boring realistic high-graphic games" or the other half that think Miyamoto is dumb and Nintendo just does dumb cartoony/kid stuff

neither is really accurate in mind

I saw this comment though and I think Miyamoto is too old-fashioned and stuck in his ways and fails to actually see the value in a lot of things such as great graphics and online play. he cares a lot about "gimmicks" and making things "unique" but a lot of the time you don't actually need that. he's legendary and has a lot of great ideas and I respect him but I'm definitely not going to agree with everything he says.

Some of my most anticipated games and my favorite ones in general have great graphics. Star Fox Zero might be fun but some of the textures look so bland that I honestly can't be that hyped for it, it doesn't feel like a $59.99 game--there are way better looking games, even on the Wii U. I hope the graphics get better because otherwise maybe I'll cancel my pre-order and get when it's cheaper.

Also, games can both look more realistic while still retaining a high sense of artistic style of creativity. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U looks way better than Melee, for instance, but it's not a realistic game style. Yoshi's Woolly World looks great, and the artistic style is awesome, but it wouldn't work as well if the quality of the yarn theme wasn't good. Same for Kirby and the Rainbow Curse. You see, if you really want a game to impress visually (which is just one of many elements that make a good game; graphics isn't everything, but it's definitely SOMETHING), IMO you should make it look both realistic and set a cool, fitting style for it, or you need to settle for something that's considered "timeless" by people, such as pixel art. Some art doesn't need to be high-quality to still look great.

But in a game like Star Fox, it seriously needs some work.

And yeah, if I want a truly impressive looking game like Horizon: New Dawn or some of the other stuff I've seen at E3 for PS4/Xbox one, well, I'm not going to get anything quite like that on Nintendo consoles, which is why I don't just play on Nintendo consoles. I like how creative Nintendo is and how much of a variety they sometimies have because admittedly there were like 10-15 shooters shown at E3 and it got really boring, but at the same Nintendo didn't impress me with any AAA games this year (Zelda didn't show up after all, I already have Xenoblade X, and Star Fox didn't actually *look* like great IMO), and I was kind of disappointed to see all the Mario and amiibo stuff, so they've got plenty of their own problems.

For me, as much as I dislike games with a visually dull style, as boring as realistic graphics get--they get old pretty freaking fast, and they don't age well because video game graphics are always getting better--I was still kind of more impressed by what I saw at the Sony conference. So, I think Miyamoto's trying to be all "hipster" what with gameplay rules but he's going to the opposite extreme.

Visuals don't make a good gmae

But they can make it a great game

And gameplay alone often isn't enough to make a great game either

after all, if you were just pressing buttons on your controller without any visual feedback and such, how boring would that be? and it's hard to get excited and immersed when a game that's *supposed* to be modern looks like it's 5 years old

I cut old games slack  because I know they're old, but I can't cut new games slack, sorry. put in a little more effort, Miyamoto, and maybe be a little less stubborn and reassess your priorities. You've got a lot going good for you, but you're also kind of disconnected from a lot of gamers and I think that's causing some hurt

/rant

I'm not going to debate with you on this because it is a very subjective topic, and therefore none of us will be right or wrong, but to use the games of a single franchise to try to prove your point is a very bad move.

Of course all Super Mario games look the same, just like all God of War, Gran Turismo, Halo, Assassins Creed, etc. look the same from game to game. It doesn't prove anything.

C'mon, Mummelmann, we both know that you can come up with arguments than that.

Meh. Would have been funnier for me if one of the people that were ranting about Nintendo games looking the same and then show pictures of Xenoblade, Mario and Zelda had replied.

Obviously any monkey can see the difference between South Park and Assassin's Creed or Anno 2205. Miyamoto can to, which is why he said "A lot of games" instead of "all games" and was talking about the technicality and art direction instead of the differences in setting and assets. People here just jump on the stupid click-bait title of this thread that's inaccurate and then proceed to show two different realistic games where one is set in a forest and the other at the beach. Like no shit that's different. Soundwave's post a couple pages back is what Miyamoto is talking about and that is a stance I can only agree with. For the record though, For Honor only looked 'different' because you didn't have a gun (and that guy with his manic laugh that brought it as if it was the most epic thing ever), so a difference in setting and assets, if there would have been a car there it would have looked like any other car, and had I looked down a second I wouldn't have known which Tom Clancy game was which. I probably still wouldn't now if you showed me three random screens. But okay, same franchise.

Probably, but I can't be arsed.