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starcraft on 30 May 2015
Ninsect said:
starcraft said:

The bolded is a whole can of worms for another thread.

I am not saying that people shouldn't make lists. I am also not saying that when people make lists, they shouldn't make lists that include any and all games they want to include.

If someone already believes a console's success cannot be explained by the games on the system, they are hardly going to be convinced by a comprehensive list of games they have never heard of. Oreshika was by those few accounts I have heard of it, a pretty decent game. For every pretty decent low-key game, you're going to get a lot more not-at-all decent low-key games.

The last paragraph...I guess thats a matter of opinion? When someone says the PS4 has no games, I (and evidently a lot of others) view that as hyperpole indicating it does not have high profile games in any great quantity - given its self-evident that the console does in fact have games, being a gaming console.

TL:DR - If people think a console doesn't have many great games, creating a list of games they haven't heard of or are not great won't change their mind of behaviour - but simply perpetuate the pissing contest.

The reason they think it doesn't have many games is exactly because they are uninformed. Lists like these can help to inform them.

Presumably you think Ludicrous is uninformed?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7317251

Didn't work for him. It is of course just one example, and I am sure there are examples of lists being informative. I just think when you put them up against each other, more often than not there will be a big debate about the merits of any inclusions, rather than an actual shifting in ideas.



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Torillian on 30 May 2015
starcraft said:
Torillian said:
starcraft said:

I disagree on the last paragraph.  What I've seen is that usually the "PS4 has no games" rhetoric is connected to the idea that PS4 doesn't deserve the sales it is current getting.  For that purpose it doesn't matter what the supposed impact of a given game's release will have on console sales, all that matters is that it exists and is one more reason why the PS4 "deserves" the sales it is getting.  

Also the concept that lists shouldn't be made including "games noone will play" saddens me.  The idea that you shouldn't even consider a game as being a meaningful addition to a console's library unless it has a certain number of sales just seems so demeaning to some really great games that just aren't in every consumer's wheel house.  Ore Shika was a really fun little game on the Vita, but according to this concept it shouldn't even be thought of as in the Vita's library because it's a "game noone will play"

FInally, if what people mean by "PS4 has no games" is "PS4 does not have enough games of notable commercial impact to explain the sales disparity between it and its competetors" then they should say that, otherwise I will continue to look at it at face value as an attempt to downplay the console that's winning because it's not their favorite.  

The bolded is a whole can of worms for another thread.

I am not saying that people shouldn't make lists. I am also not saying that when people make lists, they shouldn't make lists that include any and all games they want to include.

If someone already believes a console's success cannot be explained by the games on the system, they are hardly going to be convinced by a comprehensive list of games they have never heard of. Oreshika was by those few accounts I have heard of it, a pretty decent game. For every pretty decent low-key game, you're going to get a lot more not-at-all decent low-key games.

The last paragraph...I guess thats a matter of opinion? When someone says the PS4 has no games, I (and evidently a lot of others) view that as hyperpole indicating it does not have high profile games in any great quantity - given its self-evident that the console does in fact have games, being a gaming console.

TL:DR - If people think a console doesn't have many great games, creating a list of games they haven't heard of or are not great won't change their mind of behaviour - but simply perpetuate the pissing contest.

If people state a console has "no games" regardless of what they mean then they should expect a list of games in response because that is the perfectly rational counterpoint.  If they don't want a list of games in retaliation they should probably just shut the fuck up.  I mean if someone says "Xbox sucks dick" isn't that just hyperbole and what they mean is "the xbox doesn't have enough unique games that fall within my preferred genres to make the purchase worthwhile".  But no, you get moderated because you decided to put your presumably rational opinion in a vindictive and offensive way, and so the same goes for "PS4 has no games".   



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starcraft on 30 May 2015
Torillian said:
starcraft said:

The bolded is a whole can of worms for another thread.

I am not saying that people shouldn't make lists. I am also not saying that when people make lists, they shouldn't make lists that include any and all games they want to include.

If someone already believes a console's success cannot be explained by the games on the system, they are hardly going to be convinced by a comprehensive list of games they have never heard of. Oreshika was by those few accounts I have heard of it, a pretty decent game. For every pretty decent low-key game, you're going to get a lot more not-at-all decent low-key games.

The last paragraph...I guess thats a matter of opinion? When someone says the PS4 has no games, I (and evidently a lot of others) view that as hyperpole indicating it does not have high profile games in any great quantity - given its self-evident that the console does in fact have games, being a gaming console.

TL:DR - If people think a console doesn't have many great games, creating a list of games they haven't heard of or are not great won't change their mind of behaviour - but simply perpetuate the pissing contest.

If people state a console has "no games" regardless of what they mean then they should expect a list of games in response because that is the perfectly rational counterpoint.  If they don't want a list of games in retaliation they should probably just shut the fuck up.  I mean if I say "Xbox sucks dick" isn't that just hyperbole and what I mean is "the xbox doesn't have enough unique games that fall within my preferred genres to make the purchase worthwhile".  But no, you get moderated because you decided to put your presumably rational opinion in a vindictive and offensive way, and so the same goes for "PS4 has no games".   

I agree with you, but I don't think our two points are mutually exclusive.

Is someone says something has no games, and that something is a games console, I am going to know its hyperbole. At the same time, if I like that games console I am going to hit them with a list of games, as you said.

But, I believe nine times out of ten, they were already aware of any and all games that could ever have conceivably changed their mind. So regardless of the fact I couldn't help myself, sending them that list of games was a waste of my time. Tomorrow, they are going to tell someone else that the games console I like has no games, and they are still going to mean it in some general sense, and that someone else is going to send them the same list I did.



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LudicrousSpeed on 30 May 2015
Ninsect said:
LudicrousSpeed said:


You expected a stupid answer to a very stupid question? A winner is you.

No, I expected the hypocrisy. Just checking to see if you could acknowledge it.

Looks like you dont know what hypocrisy is :)



SWORDF1SH on 30 May 2015
starcraft said:

You highlighted an apology and called it a dig

I am glad you're happy with the thread. I would suggest that the bolded should lead your thread in future, if that is indeed the aim.

Instead you led with "Ok let's finally put this to rest. Seeing to many "Sony hasn't got any games this year"," suggesting that you did indeed have a pretty good idea which and how many games you were going to include - and thats fine.

But it goes a long way to explaining why your thread has derailed from what you now say was its intention.

And, given what you actually wrote in the OP (as opposed to what you now say you meant), comments about the merits of lists wars to sway people's opinions are not entirely on topic.

You're a slippery one.

This is my last reply to you. Either I'm not getting you or your comments just don't add up. Either way I do not want to go any further with discussions with you.

In repsonse to bolded and since you are twisting what I said. Put it to rest as in the PS4 either "no games" claim is justified or not. I seriously didn't know how this was going to turn out. And "how many games I was going to include". Nah buddy, just the exclusive games this year. I didn't choose which games to include.

But that's it from me. Reply if you want but not going to continue this.



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Torillian on 30 May 2015
starcraft said:
Torillian said:
starcraft said:
 

The bolded is a whole can of worms for another thread.

I am not saying that people shouldn't make lists. I am also not saying that when people make lists, they shouldn't make lists that include any and all games they want to include.

If someone already believes a console's success cannot be explained by the games on the system, they are hardly going to be convinced by a comprehensive list of games they have never heard of. Oreshika was by those few accounts I have heard of it, a pretty decent game. For every pretty decent low-key game, you're going to get a lot more not-at-all decent low-key games.

The last paragraph...I guess thats a matter of opinion? When someone says the PS4 has no games, I (and evidently a lot of others) view that as hyperpole indicating it does not have high profile games in any great quantity - given its self-evident that the console does in fact have games, being a gaming console.

TL:DR - If people think a console doesn't have many great games, creating a list of games they haven't heard of or are not great won't change their mind of behaviour - but simply perpetuate the pissing contest.

If people state a console has "no games" regardless of what they mean then they should expect a list of games in response because that is the perfectly rational counterpoint.  If they don't want a list of games in retaliation they should probably just shut the fuck up.  I mean if I say "Xbox sucks dick" isn't that just hyperbole and what I mean is "the xbox doesn't have enough unique games that fall within my preferred genres to make the purchase worthwhile".  But no, you get moderated because you decided to put your presumably rational opinion in a vindictive and offensive way, and so the same goes for "PS4 has no games".   

I agree with you, but I don't think our two points are mutually exclusive.

Is someone says something has no games, and that something is a games console, I am going to know its hyperbole. At the same time, if I like that games console I am going to hit them with a list of games, as you said.

But, I believe nine times out of ten, they were already aware of any and all games that could ever have conceivably changed their mind. So regardless of the fact I couldn't help myself, sending them that list of games was a waste of my time. Tomorrow, they are going to tell someone else that the games console I like has no games, and they are still going to mean it in some general sense, and that someone else is going to send them the same list I did.

I agree that for the most part those with irrational opinions will not be swayed by rational counterpoints, but that doesn't mean you should just leave them to their own devices.  If I meet someone who doesn't think the world is round then I'm going to send them evidence to the contrary, and most times that won't mean a damn thing, but hopefully that acts as a counterpoint to this guy's rhetoric and the people reading both sides will be more swayed by logic than if this guy had just been left to continue his ranting.  

Fact that you fail 9 times out of ten to change someone's mind doesn't mean you should stop.  



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starcraft on 30 May 2015
Torillian said:
starcraft said:

I agree with you, but I don't think our two points are mutually exclusive.

Is someone says something has no games, and that something is a games console, I am going to know its hyperbole. At the same time, if I like that games console I am going to hit them with a list of games, as you said.

But, I believe nine times out of ten, they were already aware of any and all games that could ever have conceivably changed their mind. So regardless of the fact I couldn't help myself, sending them that list of games was a waste of my time. Tomorrow, they are going to tell someone else that the games console I like has no games, and they are still going to mean it in some general sense, and that someone else is going to send them the same list I did.

I agree that for the most part those with irrational opinions will not be swayed by rational counterpoints, but that doesn't mean you should just leave them to their own devices.  If I meet someone who doesn't think the world is round then I'm going to send them evidence to the contrary, and most times that won't mean a damn thing, but hopefully that acts as a counterpoint to this guy's rhetoric and the people reading both sides will be more swayed by logic than if this guy had just been left to continue his ranting.  

Fact that you fail 9 times out of ten to change someone's mind doesn't mean you should stop.  

Well we've found the point of difference - you're just a lot more patient than me

Seriously though, 2am night all!



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true_fan on 30 May 2015

When Yoshida promised 12 new ip and 20 games in the first year, fans said sony always brings the games. Now those same fans are using phone games and small indies to save face. It's ok though I'm not fooled, I understand your disappointment. If Uncharted was releasing this year, I doubt we would see all this touting of games like wattam and big shots golf. I wish you the best with your console of choice, you don't have to try to justify it's superiority to me, I'm getting the games I bought my console for.



LurkerJ on 30 May 2015

I am too late to the party. But all those lists reminds me of something

Is Transistor on X1 yet?

If it is, buy it.

If it isn't , buy it on PC.

The game is great :'D



gooch_destroyer on 30 May 2015
true_fan said:
When Yoshida promised 12 new ip and 20 games in the first year, fans said sony always brings the games. Now those same fans are using phone games and small indies to save face. It's ok though I'm not fooled, I understand your disappointment. If Uncharted was releasing this year, I doubt we would see all this touting of games like wattam and big shots golf. I wish you the best with your console of choice, you don't have to try to justify it's superiority to me, I'm getting the games I bought my console for.


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