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Angelus said:
Chris Hu said:
Angelus said:
Chris Hu said:


Its not going to hurt much the Patriots have a pretty good backup QB in Jimmy Garoppolo.  Plus this might be a positive since the NFL gave them more reasons to repeat now.


I'm a Seahawks fan so don't talk to me about you lucky bastards repeating lol

The wound is still too sore

I'm not a Patriots fan either I'm just a fan of the AFC.

Why? The AFC is terrible

No its not, anyway the Seahawk where a AFC team for most of their existence.  The lowest point for the AFC was when the Bills lost four Super Bowls in a row but since then its actually has a been a slightly better league then the NFC.  Plus the NFC also has a team that lost four in the Vikings.



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sundin13 said:


You first have to prove something happened before proving there was a coverup.

I do not believe this is correct. The penalty is largely based on non-cooperatioin. Whether he did not cooperate to cover up a wrong or not is immaterial.

That said, his lack of cooperation appears to have created a reasonable inference that it is to hide a wrongdoing, and circumstancial evidence combined with this inference enough to make the investigator conclude that 1) there was probably a knowing wrong committed, and 2) Brady was likely a knowing part of that wrongdoing.  In other words, there has indeed been a conclusion that something happened, and that it was covered up.

For what it's worth, I share your belief that Brady could have several completely legitimate reasons for not handing his phone over. That said, he is party to the collective bargaining agreement, which apparently gives the NFL the right to request (though not compel) the production of his phone, and nothing prevents them from drawing inferences from Brady's refusal to do so.

I also share your belief that the team penalty is not warranted. At best, a minor fine for not better policing its employees might be in order. I cannot explain that part.

 

Finally, regarding the harshness of the penalty on Brady proper, I think it's crucial to realize that two of the four suspended games are against the Jets and Bills, so it really is only a two game suspension.



noname2200 said:

Finally, regarding the harshness of the penalty on Brady proper, I think it's crucial to realize that two of the four suspended games are against the Jets and Bills, so it really is only a two game suspension.


To be fair, the Pats have a tendency of shitting the bed against divisional opponents. Still, to be honest, I'm excited to see Garappolo get some actual gametime.



Chris Hu said:
Angelus said:

Why? The AFC is terrible

No its not, anyway the Seahawk where a AFC team for most of their existence.  The lowest point for the AFC was when the Bills lost four Super Bowls in a row but since then its actually has a been a slightly better league then the NFC.  Plus the NFC also has a team that lost four in the Vikings.

You can tell me about the history books all you want lol, but the current AFC just doesn't seem very competitive to me. The best teams in the NFC are much better than the best teams in the AFC



Angelus said:
Chris Hu said:
Angelus said:


I'm not a Patriots fan either I'm just a fan of the AFC.

Why? The AFC is terrible

In 2014-15, the AFC's record against the NFC was 33-30-1. The only AFC division that got destroyed by the NFC was the AFC South.

In 2013-14, the AFC's record against the NFC was 30-34. The only AFC division that got destroyed by the NFC was again the AFC South.

How long have you been a football fan?



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Chris Hu said:

Even if the Patriots wouldn't have thrown the ball once in that game they still would have won the game by at least 21 points so in the big picture the deflated balls didn't make any difference.


That's not really the point. No one argues that the deflated balls are the reason the Patriots won that game its the principle of the action. Despite the outcome of the game the fact that the Patriots purposely deflated balls to give themselves an unfair advantage is enough to warrant these penalties. If the NFL said "Welp the Patriots would have won anyway lets not penalize them even though they were clearly breaking the rules" that would be completley unfair. I mean why else would there be rulesssss. Also if the NFL let this slide then whats stopping the Patriots from doing this again and having it affect an actual close game.



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Angelus said:
Chris Hu said:
Angelus said:

Why? The AFC is terrible

No its not, anyway the Seahawk where a AFC team for most of their existence.  The lowest point for the AFC was when the Bills lost four Super Bowls in a row but since then its actually has a been a slightly better league then the NFC.  Plus the NFC also has a team that lost four in the Vikings.

You can tell me about the history books all you want lol, but the current AFC just doesn't seem very competitive to me. The best teams in the NFC are much better than the best teams in the AFC


No they are not the recent Super Bowl pretty much proofed that.  Plus the AFC is a lot better when it comes to playing defense.  Also you must be watching a different leage the Panthers where terrible and still made the playoffs.  They had at least five teams in the AFC that where better then the Panthers that didn't make it to the playoffs.



chocoloco said:
Angelus said:

Why? The AFC is terrible

In 2015, the AFC's record against the NFC was 31-29-1. The only AFC division that got destroyed by the NFC was the AFC South.

In 2014, the AFC's record against the NFC was 30-32. The only AFC division that got destroyed by the NFC was again the AFC South.

How long have you been a football fan?


I don't care about all the irrelevant teams scrapping their way through a season. In the AFC, nobody outside of New England and the Broncos (when Manning is healthy) is a real threat to get to the Super Bowl. In the AFC there's quite a few more teams that can compete for that spot. 

But I suppose this is getting off topic so....uhm....suck it Brady! You have to sit at home for 4 weeks with your Super Bowl trophy and your supermodel wife you loser!



Angelus said:
chocoloco said:

In 2015, the AFC's record against the NFC was 31-29-1. The only AFC division that got destroyed by the NFC was the AFC South.

In 2014, the AFC's record against the NFC was 30-32. The only AFC division that got destroyed by the NFC was again the AFC South.

How long have you been a football fan?


I don't care about all the irrelevant teams scrapping their way through a season. In the AFC, nobody outside of New England and the Broncos (when Manning is healthy) is a real threat to get to the Super Bowl. In the AFC there's quite a few more teams that can compete for that spot. 

But I suppose this is getting off topic so....uhm....suck it Brady! You have to sit at home for 4 weeks with your Super Bowl trophy and your supermodel wife you loser!

There are only two legit contenders in the NFC also the Seahawks and Green Bay.  Plus you are forgetting about the Ravens they have the defense to be legit contenders they just need some offensive help I think they addressed some of their issues with the draft and hopefully they can get some more help via free agent pickups.



Angelus said:
chocoloco said:

 


I don't care about all the irrelevant teams scrapping their way through a season. In the AFC, nobody outside of New England and the Broncos (when Manning is healthy) is a real threat to get to the Super Bowl. In the AFC there's quite a few more teams that can compete for that spot. 

But I suppose this is getting off topic so....uhm....suck it Brady! You have to sit at home for 4 weeks with your Super Bowl trophy and your supermodel wife you loser!

This is not a full frontal attack on Brady. It is an attack on anyone in the organization that was a part of breaking the NFL's rules. In reality, when players are banned from games they participate with the team and spend a lot of time in the gym and in the pool. They got to stay in shape. But, yes, it is very likely that the situation will lead to a lot of angry sex with Gisele.