setsunatenshi said:
WolfpackN64 said:
setsunatenshi said:
WolfpackN64 said:
setsunatenshi said:
WolfpackN64 said:
setsunatenshi said:
WolfpackN64 said:
ps4tw said:
Looking at the sales figures, the Dreamcast, a console widely seen as a failure and the downfall of Sega, sold better than the Wii U to date. As Nintendo has the cash assest to survive a failed console, where will they go from here? It seems that they do not want to adapt to the demands of the modern gamer, and their core user base is smaller than ever. This being said, will this force Nintendo's hand out of the console business just as the Dreamcast did to Sega? How can Nintendo repair the publicity damage the Wii U has done to them in the eyes of gamers?
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The Nintendo core base is MUCH larger than Sony and Microsoft's. The Wii U will outsell the Dreamcast no problem and Nintendo's stifness is paying off, profits tripeling this quarter. Carry on.
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Excuse me...
Care to elaborate what would give you such idea?
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I'm talking anout real core gamers, not people who trade in their PS3 and all their FIFA games just to buy a PS4 and the new FIFA. Nintendo's games have a high attach rate, higher than some Sony and Microsoft exclusives. Their own software makes them quite a lot of money.
To be clear, I was NOT talking about pure console sales. Nintendo is clearly not in the best position. But it's also not doing bad anymore.
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That's quite the outlook you got there... so in 4 generations that Playstation is in the market and the only generation where they weren't #1 was during the time where every casual and their granny bought the Wii to play Wii Sports. And that was with a console that was double the price of what Nintendo put out.
I'm really not sure what you mean by real hardcore, but in my view someone that will early adopt a new console at top price with a nearly empty game library trusting their company of choice will deliver is the hardest of the core gamer. 2 years of Wii U on the market and seems that less than 8 million is the hardcore cap for the big N.
About the attach rate comment, it's hardly surprising Nintendo games have higher rates. 1, they put out less content than Sony, 2 they sell less hardware, 3 there are about 0 good 3rd party games being sold on the Wii U. You pretty much are forced to buy 1st party games as there's a dry, empty desert out there when it comes to 3rd party.
i have nothing to say about the money they may or may not make. i'm not a shareholder
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The Wii had a lot of casuals, yes, but those were a different kind of casuals from the PS2 era. The parents and fitness casuals have moved on. The Wii in the end wasn't very profitable anymore. The majority of the console casuals moved back to Sony (not a bad thing in sé). And 1st party software does net you more money then the commisions you get from third parties. But of course, Sony and Microsoft have so many 3rd parties on board and Nintendo so little, it makes for a not too bright financial balance.
The Wii U is now more a console for the Nintendo faithful, the Nintendo core and hardcore. And even though the Wii U is now around 8 million. Being able to bank on prob 10 million at the end of 2015 is not bad for a console with very high 1st party attach rates.
I'm not saying the Wii U is a financial miracle, far from it. I'm saying Nintendo's output for now will net them enough profit to sustain and rebuild some reserves for the generation to come.
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my main question was regarding your statement that the Nintendo core base is 'much higher' than Sony's. I think we can both agree that is absolutely not the case, correct? unless you'd believe the core Sony crowd is under 10M, which would be in odds with the common complain that the whole internet is playstation biased :)
again, regarding the financial situation I never discussed it, I'm glad 10M is enough to consider a console a success, I wish it was the case when Sega was around, I could be playing Shining Force 7 by now :P
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While Sony has a big audience. Sony's games per se do not have the highest attach rates. Over the PS4 and the Vita, the Wii U and the 3DS, I do believe the Nintendo hardcore is a larger group.
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Again, what does that mean? I explained why the attach rate in 1st party games is lower, there is a much much bigger choice in great games on Playstation than on Nintendo consoles. The number of 1st party releases is also much higher, this spreading the userbase thinner. If Playstation consoles only had 2/3 major releases per year, of course the attach rate on those games would be through the roof. If you have 200 $/€/£ to spend in games per year and you own a Wii U, obviously your only choices are whatever Mario, Zelda or Donkey Kong game came out that year. If you have the same amount to spend and you own a PS4, maybe you'll buy CoD, Battlefield, Last of Us, Far Cry, Fifa, Infamos, Drive Club, Assassins Creed, Dark Souls, NBA 2K, Alien Isolation, Evil Within, LBP, etc... which means your money will spread much thinner as there are way more notable releases. This would lower the attach rate on any specific title you pick, but the overall result is why Playstation ends up enticing more hardcore gamers and casuals than the Wii U with it's lower entry pricepoint.
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