Over 2.5m to go yet and the Dreamcast had already exited the market at this time in it's life.

Yep, as someone who helps put together product proposistions in a multimillion-pound company, that's exactly what I'm telling you. You're right, it's a different time, a time where the gaming community is larger than ever and thanks to the ever decreasing size of chips, expected product returns should be greater than ever. And yet the Wii U demonstrates that Nintendo are struggling to evolve with the changing market. 

Well considering Nintendo's recent losses, clearly they are not making enough profit from the Wii U. The U will sell a minimum of 20 million units? How so? It's been out for 2 years and hasn't even hit 10 million units. When you combine that with console sales slowing down over time, there's literally no reason to think it'll sell 20 million lifetime. Also the long term damage backing a fading console will do will be catastrophic. If they keep supporting the Wii U for another 2 years, then by the time a successor comes out, Nintendo will not even be known by the majority of gamers. By supporting only the Wii U, they are effectively minimising their potential customer base by 10's of millions of customers. 

The dreamcast has beaten the Wii U in terms of total life time sales launch to end of life. 

No, that would pretty much be garbage. Instead of the gamepad all we'd have is the dualshock, or the Xbone controller? No thanks, it certainly isn't worth it for  better graphics. (Especially for how small the leap actually appears.)

Well being he is clearly wrong on this post too, it seems he has a perfect streak going.

Nintendo did not eliminate Sony from handheld. Its tablets and Mobiles which is now doing multimedia and on the go gaming needs did eliminate PS Vita. PSP was popular because of their multimeida and on the gaming needs with powerful mobile device back then. Now PS Vita is out performed by Mobiles and AAA games are expensive to make them in hanheld unless its a popular IP otherwise its gonna fail. Nitendo IPs are the one which is keeping their handheld alive otherwise they will be gone too. Already their is a big decline in 3DS sales and they still remastering few games to stay alive next year. Lets see where Nintendo will end up in few years. I doubt handheld unless they support Android system and Console race is already lost and even Sony/MS not going to bring new console mostly instead they focus on cloud technology after 5 years.

As far as the controllers, nothing per se, but would rather have a different controller which offers me different ways to play than the same way over and over.

If people were that concerned to play Nintendo games they always could. No one is stopping them. As for better hardware, the Wii U is vastly more powerful than the Wii, so we still get that experience (even more so than PS3 to PS4).

Nintendo not being able to handle making a console is purely opinion, and no one would be better off if they stopped making consoles. Just face it, you want ot play the games but don't want to buy the console. That's fine, but don't pretend it's better for gamers in general.

They do like Sega : go 3rd party

I wasn't taking things personal. Just poking holes in your reasoning. I thought I did pretty well NOT taking them personally being your response was asking for my opinions.

"So because of the controllers you say no? What is the problem with any of them to begin with?

And wouldn't you rather have more people having access to Nintendo games, sharing a good experience and the games being able run in a better hardware so they could be even more improved?

Nintendo just don't have a clue how to handle a console, it would be better to everyone if they stop making them.
Nitendo would profit more, be able to invest more in games, expand, create new franchises, have the old ones accessible to more people, everyone would be able to play their games not a small share of the consumers, and that would go even further."

Completely different consoles and completely different sales trends. It's laughable to make a thread like this when the wiiu will pass the lifetime totals of the dreamcast before the end of the year.

Majorly different consoles. Don't get me wrong I love the dreamcast. But they front loaded the console with all these great games and lost so much money that when Sony came out with the PS2 people just didn't trust Sega to have anyone follow through and people kind of decided to move on. WIth the Wiiu Nintendo started slower with software and are getting better each year which will lead to the console continuing its trend of year over year growth. The Wiiu will likely triple the dreamcast in lifetime sales and will be infintely more profitable. And will also have more exclusive great games.  A lot of the steller Dreamcast content either got ported over to ps2 or sequalized on the ps2 and other consoles.

I don't know what the hell is wrong with Nintendo.  Apologies if this is slightly off topic, but I am (was) a life-long Nintendo fan until this week.  My particular problem is that my gamepad charger has stopped working and, I have now learned, Nintendo does not sell replacements.  There are some cheap Chinese equivalants on eBay but I don't particularly want my house to burn down, so I would rather have an official product.  I contacted Nintendo about this and they want to charge me 53 damn quid for a replacement.  How is Nintendo going to capture the core gamer when they can't look after their existing customers?  Our Wii U is collecting dust because we can't charge the gamepad and the console is useless without it. We've also taken the games we bought the kids for Christmas back to the store as they won't be able to play them.  Very dissapointed.

I would have started a new topic with this but I don't yet have the requisite 50 posts.  Could someone post on my behalf?

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