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Not really, It working in the Plants of DOW or BASF, But its easy work and good money and great benefits. But to answer your question no its not something i wanted to do when i grew up.



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Australia's minimum wage is like $16.87 an hour for juniors. Adults and some other industries minimum wage goes up from there.

Go look at what this rate has cause to Australia.

1. High cost of living - food and utility bills, internet (which is slow anyway), paytv (min $40 a month for garbage base package, if you want the actual channels you do watch closer to $100 a month.)
2. High cost of buying a house/car/anything
3. High cost of video games (sure that could be grouped with 2 but we are gamers lol)
4. Manufacturing slowly closing down everywhere due to no longer being competitive with asian 3rd world countries. Meaning higher unemployment for blur collar workers.
5. Union who stir shit up and get people to strike for more cash and then companies pack up and leave and union reps suddenly no where to be found to help you once you lost your job



 

 

It's very easy for people who doesn't live on minimum wages to say that raising it is wrong.

Typical American thinking.



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spurgeonryan said:
Pretty much every state is talking about raising the minimum wage right now. Then what! Prices will just go up. You cannot expect to get a ton of money for doing minimum wage jobs. It is not businesses fault that you did not go to college, did not work hard, had kids, etc.

There are always other reasons as well, but those are not really businesses fault as well. I would accept raising it yearly like the military does to keep up with the cost of living, but just egregiously raising it so the poor can live better is bull!

Seattle heads into new frontiers on the minimum wage fight

KUOW Photo/Deborah Wang

Angela Cough, co-owner of the Flying Apron Bakery in Fremont, wants residents to vote on the new minimum wage law in November.

Last month, Seattle became the first large city in the nation to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour. The new wage rules begin to phase in next April, but that's only if the new law survives several challenges in the courts and at the ballot box. From public station KUOW in Seattle, Deborah Wang has this report.

Seattle’s new $15 an hour minimum wage is scheduled to start phasing in next April. But it first must survive several challenges, both in court and at the ballot box.

Franchisees are challenging the law in court, and two separate groups are collecting signatures to put the law to a popular vote on this November’s ballot.

Forward Seattle, a group mostly made up of owners of small businesses who are unhappy with the new law, has put 80 paid signature gatherers on the streets. They need to collect 16,510 signatures before July 2 to put a referendum on this November’s ballot.

“We don’t have much time, this is our last opportunity to try to do something about this and make sure we are heard,” said Angela Cough, co-owner of the Flying Apron Gluten Free and Vegan Bakery in Fremont and the co-chair of Forward Seattle.

Cough is actually a supporter of raising the minimum wage, but she thinks $12.50 an hour would be a reasonable compromise. The current plan requires small business to reach to $15 an hour by 2021, and $17.25 an hour by 2024.

“We have no idea what is going to happen as a result of the ordinance,” she said. “There has never been a city who has actually gone this aggressive on increasing the minimum wage; any of the prior city examples have spent years increasing to essentially the rate we are at now.”

Washington state currently has the second highest minimum wage in the nation, behind Massachusetts.

Since the Seattle City Council passed the minimum wage plan in record time, many people don’t understand the law or the possible consequences, Cough said. “And when they think about it, they are like, whoa, wait a second, we didn’t think that would go through. That was signed into law?”

At this past weekend’s Fremont Festival, Cough and Forward Seattle co-chair Kathrina Tugadi set up a table and collected signatures in front of Cough’s café.

Several blocks away, West Seattle resident Craig Keller mounted his own separate signature drive. His table featured a large sign that read “Stop Force Wage Increases.” His petition references the Declaration of Independence and refers to the new law as "tyranny."

Festival-goer Larry Seto stopped with his daughter to sign the petition. He didn't know that anybody was challenging the new law. “I was actually surprised to see this, but I’m pleasantly surprised,” he said. 

Court Challenge

The new law is also being challenged in court. On June 11, the International Franchise Association, along with five local business owners, filed suit claiming the law discriminates against franchisees. Those are local small businesses that operate chains such as Subway and McDonald’s, as well as a host of other less well-known brands.

The new law regards all franchisees as big businesses because of their connection to a larger corporate parent. That requires them to phase in the $15 an hour minimum wage faster than other small businesses. Franchisees claim that puts their businesses at a competitive disadvantage.

“To put us on a different level of playing field, to be able to compete, it’s just not just,” said Kathy Lyons, co-owner of BrightStar Care in North Seattle and a plaintiff in the suit. “My term is ‘un-American.’”

The lawsuit filed in US District Court seeks an injunction to stop the law from going into effect next year.

Seattle’s Mayor Ed Murray calls the IFA lawsuit a “distraction.” He believes the city is on solid legal footing in terms of how it regards franchisees.

As for the ballot challenges? Murray says he finds them "disappointing."

“I worry that this is going to poison the atmosphere between business and employees in this city. I thought we had a way to come together. No one was happy, but no one is ever happy when you work on a compromise,” Murray said.

If the minimum wage law qualifies for the ballot, Murray believes it will be approved by voters.

And supporters of the law say they are prepared to fight for it.

“I don’t think there is any standing still. It’s still up in the air,” said Philip Locker, one of the founders of 15 Now, the group that had been advocating for an even more aggressive minimum wage plan.

Locker said the only way to preserve the $15 an hour wage is to ensure that it spreads beyond Seattle.

“Either we succeed in spreading $15 throughout King County and Washington state and nationwide, or Seattle is going to be under enormous pressure from business to undermine, water down further and eventually overturn the $15 that was passed here,” Locker said. “It’s not secure, it’s not stable.”

The fight over the minimum wage is likely to be a long one. Whatever happens in the courts or on this November’s ballot, other groups have announced their intention to challenge the wage next November as well.


Oh no no no no no. Businesses will not respond by raising the prices of their products. The biggest issue will be this. Suppose. Business has $150 an hour to spend on employees and the minimum wage is $10 an hour. This business will have 15 employees. When minimum wage is raised to $15 an hour which is a HUGE jump, the same business will just layoff it's 5 most unproductive employees, thus raising the unemployment. So to answer your extremely long drawn out process, the market will tell the government when the minimum wage needs to be raised. When the unemployment is down to 4 or 5%, it's time for a raise. Liberals are just stupid. My dad has a PhD in economics from Hendrix and anyone as well educated as he is will tell you the conservative economic policies are the way to go. Just look up states with best and worst economies and the conservative states will be at the top and liberal states will be at the bottom. Can't f***ing believe Obama was elected over Romney. Romney KNEW his shit and exactly how to get this economy back on its feet.



phaedruss said:

That seems incredibly flawed. What about the rest of those states? What about longer term effects?

Also, I can't read this right now and it may all be in there, but what was interstate traffic like, what were the populations of these counties before and after the study, and what was the exact order of events from minimum wage increase to the results that they found taking into account all of the variables?




I am aware of not all the variables being present.  I'm just saying that it's not as isolated as you think, and there's at least some support for the theory and is why raising the minimum wage is practiced.



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Good idea, McDonald's will always have the dollar menu is most of America ;)



Go and live in Europe and get public housing, free health, free education and get more money from social security than working a minimum wage job. You would be a fool to work for minimum wage when social security pays better.



Will I get a $5+ raise too?

An unskilled worker flipping burgers or dropping fried in grease should not be making only a couple less bucks an hour.

This is bullshit to those of us who worked hard to get good paying jobs.

Might as well just quit and go to Taco Bell and work drive through now.



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Naum said:
It's very easy for people who doesn't live on minimum wages to say that raising it is wrong.

Typical American thinking.

My gf jobs for less than the upcoming minimum wage of 8.50€ (~7.80€) and I'm a trainee, earning almost half the minimum wage (5€).
We live in the central district of Berlin. We go on vacation every year (last year USA and other European city trips), this year probably the Carribean.
Furthermore we are able to save money every month and have no debts.

 

It's easily possible to live with that amount, most people are just bad at being economical.



Naum said:
It's very easy for people who doesn't live on minimum wages to say that raising it is wrong.

Typical American thinking.


No, it's the people who work their asses off in high skilled jobs who wonder why they don't also see the benefits of a wage bump. They only get to see the increase in prices to go along with it.

Say I make $19/hour working my job, which requires computer knowledge, knowledge of the aerospace industry, direct contact with customers and suppliers and directing work flow from the stock room to the assembly floor and ultimately to shipping, why does a guy flipping burgers get $15? That would me make look even more underpaid.

A job that can be done by a high school freshman should not pay close to work that requires actual skill.

 

 

If you get a $5 bump to drop fries in grease then I better see a bump too, since this hike only benefits miminum wage workers at the expense of people like me.

Want to be a minimum wage worker? That is fine, but don't buy phones, pay for cable or internet or have video games. Ride a bike to work and don't worry about having a car and paying for insurance and gas.

It's the price you pay. I know, I used to work at McDonalds. I used to work at Sports Authority. I broke my ass and moved up, then used my cridentials to move to another job and now work Aerospace, where I began as a stock room clerk and now work as an Expeditor.

You want more money? Earn it, like I did. Earn it, like my girl did, with me picking up extra shifts so she can drop out of work and go back to school. She went from $8/hour at Petco to now making $32/hour doing in home pediatric care. We did this while also having a new born. If I can do it you can too.

 

 

 

Yeah I might sounds like an asshole, but I am tired of people expecting everything to just be handed to them so they can live and have nice thing, especially when they don't end up being the one paying for it all.



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