Bullshit. Last Gen the roles were reveresed especially in the US.

I've constantly called out the lack of scrutiny of MS compared to Sony and Nintendo. I can't understand how anyone could defend any of MS's more greedy policies considering they are in the best possible position to exploit their advantages.

Many people bought a 3rd 360 after RROD, while many also blamed the PSN hack on Sony.

When the former was directly caused by MS and known beforehand, while Sony was the victim of hacking, something no network on earth can expect or be 100% prepared for.

MS made this mess themselves, when they could've easily avoided it.

I'm not denying the existence of double standards but they are prevalent on both sides, simply an effect of the dominant console.

Given the OP, people can and will only take what they want to take from this.

And those devices dont allow you to buy and resell software in store nor do they allow you to transfer game license to other people. MS's plan was to release a digital only console, while appealing to retail stores. Not anti consumer as much as it was ambitious(stupid IMO, but ambitious).

OT:Its all semantics. Customers vote with their dollars, as well as MS probably listening to the many complaints/blogs/video bloggers that have no interest in Kinect.

This is what happened. Period. You can play the victim card all you want, but had the XBone's sales been better, they wouldn't have removed Kinect, despite many people saying it should be removed. Otherwise, they would have removed it a long time ago, because I'm pretty sure that there's been complaints about mandatory Kinect since before the console even launched.

You really think they're removing Kinect to "be generous" and "change for the better"? If so, you're delusional, because it was 100% because they were getting trounced in sales. If "Kinect is Xbox One. They aren't separate systems" then removing Kinect wouldn't have even been an option and they would have just lowered the price to $399 without removing anything, since it is apparently as pivotal to the console as the BD drive, RAM, and processors.

The bolded part says more about your post than anything you said in your post.

1. DRM is not what got ppl up in arms against MS, its the specific type of DRM. If MS had its way, both physical and digital games would be locked behind DRM. You couldn't just take your physically bought game and give it to your friend to play. Or g and buy used games. That was the problem.
2. Why should anyone talk about something sony may have considered but never implemented or even announced? Like are you making any sense? Thats like saying the person that said "I'll fuck you up" is just as guilty/bad as the person that picks up a gun and shoots off both your knee caps.
3. No one is saying kinect is bad, or that it isn't worth it for those that wanna use it, but that is the point. Kinect does not and has not added any gaming use to the xbox. So it was a mistake by MS forcing it on every single potential xbox owner. And maybe you are right that those that haven't used the kinect are the loudest, it just so happens to be that they are also they ones going t buy the PS4. And while you may not care about that, obviously MS does. 
4. You are setting yourself up t be branded as much of a fanboy as the people you seem to be talking about. Besides, people not agreeing with you doesn't make them fanboys. It could be you knw, they just have their own opinion. Anyways, I am of th emind that if you ever have to premeptively call out fanboys in any coment you are making, then you are probably saying something that only a fanboy would say to begin with. 

You can keep the status quo all you want, but there is still a massive double standard. You all seem to forget that Sony won back everybodies trust because PS3 was in last place and something had to change.

Sony, while on the gamers good graces, introduced a MP paywall, throws in some rented games every month and calls it a day. And you guys love them for it. Your principles of the last 2 generations be damned. Gimme a break.

I don't think that even a single person could do something nice without the prospect of a reward. Naturally people who run a business are even less inclined to do something out of good will. Even if it doesn't have an apparent financial reward it has been calculated.

Yes I'm that much of a cynic.

Sony won everyone's trust because they finished strong with the PS3. They slashed production costs and passed them onto the consumer immediately and continually put out compelling games.

With regard to PS+, nobody "loves" them for putting multiplayer behind a paywall. That was purely a business decision on their part seeing that XBL can generate millions. What they did, however, was give you a value proposition in the form of free games which essentially makes PS+ pay for itself. Do I like that did that? No, but if I'm gonna have to pay to play online, at least I'm getting something out of it. But they didn't do this because "they were listening to consumers" and "being generous" and "changing for the better". They did it to make money. But I, and I think other PS fans as well, acknowledge that. YOU on the other hand are crying wolf "oh woe is me, nobody is nice to MS. They're always the bad guy" as if this Kinect-less move had YOU in mind. Sorry, it doesn't.

Exactly. There is quite literally no excuse for the 360 to not get the same treatment at the PS3, especially considering the finacials of the two companies.

QFT