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BMaker11 said:
sales2099 said:

"But Microsoft never “listened” to players. What it heard loud and clear was the sound of people purchasing Playstation 4s over Xbox Ones."

All I needed to read. The status quo is that MS is the bad guy. PS bias gamers CAN NOT have this changed. MS can never appear generous or changed for the better

"The gaming community has this ever-present problem of confusing sound business decisions with friendly moves by friendly people, and it really does need to stop."


Double standard.....and I mean a massive double standard. You all know what I mean.

ICStats said:
This, although listening to market pressure is a bit different from listening to people.

Listening is when you do something freely, capitulating is when you have to do something you don't want due to uncomfortable pressure.

When a kid finally does his homework after you threaten "You are grounded until you do your homework", you're not going to pat him on the back for listening.

This is what happened. Period. You can play the victim card all you want, but had the XBone's sales been better, they wouldn't have removed Kinect, despite many people saying it should be removed. Otherwise, they would have removed it a long time ago, because I'm pretty sure that there's been complaints about mandatory Kinect since before the console even launched.

You really think they're removing Kinect to "be generous" and "change for the better"? If so, you're delusional, because it was 100% because they were getting trounced in sales. If "Kinect is Xbox One. They aren't separate systems" then removing Kinect wouldn't have even been an option and they would have just lowered the price to $399 without removing anything, since it is apparently as pivotal to the console as the BD drive, RAM, and processors.

You can keep the status quo all you want, but there is still a massive double standard. You all seem to forget that Sony won back everybodies trust because PS3 was in last place and something had to change.

Sony, while on the gamers good graces, introduced a MP paywall, throws in some rented games every month and calls it a day. And you guys love them for it. Your principles of the last 2 generations be damned. Gimme a break.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.