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There is a certain set of standard talking points when getting into a debate about the Xbox One and PS4. It’s the Xbox that usually attracts the lion’s share of criticism between the $100 price disparity, Kinect and being somewhat underpowered compared to its rival.

However, there is one more issue that’s rarely discussed where Sony has an increasingly important advantage. PS Plus vs. Xbox Live Gold.

Yes, it’s true that the services have become more similar with this new console generation. Sony now requires Plus for multiplayer games, and Microsoft MSFT -0.13% has started to offer free games for Gold members. But Sony allows players to access PlayStation’s multimedia apps without a subscription. Microsoft requires Gold.

The problem is that this policy creates a paywall that charges Xbox customers an extra fee to access many apps that already have a paid monthly subscription themselves. It’s not just $8 a month for Netflix NFLX -1.22%, it’s $5 a month for Xbox Live Gold as well on top of that.

New gaming head Phil Spencer was recently asked about the problem on Twitter, and seemed open to changing the policy once he’s settled in. Here’s the exchange:

@Th3CoreGamer: “now that you’re boss, we can start blaming you for Gold 2 play and apps behind the xbox live gold paywall right? sorry phil”

@XboxP3: “Yep, blame away. I’ll get my changes to plans in place soon, but in the meantime pile on.”

@Th3CoreGamer: “like this response.. i hope its not for show.. surprise us phil”

@XboxP3: “In today’s world show would last about 10 minutes. Not saying everyone will love everything, but we have plans.”

Many have been quick to point out that these sort of changes to Xbox Live Gold have been hinted at or promised for a while now, but I have a feeling that Microsoft will move toward making this a reality rather quickly. First, from everything we’ve heard from Phil Spencer since he took over Xbox, doesn’t seem to be messing around. Second, Microsoft is facing increased competition from gaming and non-gaming devices that offer access to all these kinds of apps without a paywall subscription like Gold.

Yes, there’s the PlayStation, but there’s also Roku, Apple AAPL -1.76% TV, Chromecast and now of course, Amazon’s FireTV. All of these devices provide access to these apps for only what the app costs. Microsoft stands alone in hiding all of them behind the paywall of Gold.

Most Xbox owners look at Gold as simply just a part of owning an Xbox at this point, as their auto-renew has been turned out for most of the last decade. But Microsoft is very obviously limiting themselves by hiding all these much-desired apps behind a subscription service. If they truly want the Xbox One to own the living room, loosening these restrictions would put them on more of an even playing field.

Eventually, services like Plus and Gold may feel outdated altogether. Everyone pays to have internet access already, but an additional fee to be able to access online play for games may be rejected by consumers if Sony or Microsoft blinks, or new competitors force them to change. Now we can even get in bizarre situations where you’ll have an internet bill, an Xbox Live subscription and an Elder Scrolls Online monthly access fee. Three different layers of paying for the ability to play a game online.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/04/07/microsofts-phil-spencer-may-free-apps-of-xbox-live-gold/



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Great move... I think it is ridiculous to pay two times to use Netflix.





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I don´t care at all about these matters, since MS provides such a supeior service in XBL. Phil Spencer though, continues to show class by being an all around cool guy.



Puppyroach said:
I don´t care at all about these matters, since MS provides such a supeior service in XBL. Phil Spencer though, continues to show class by being an all around cool guy.



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kowenicki said:
The guy is a class act. I think he has a lot of good things planned over the next 18 months or so.

This puzzles me though. Surely core gamers, that seem to whine the most about this, are paying for the online service already for multi-player gaming (on both consoles now)? It will make no difference to most people in reality.

Did you actually read the OP? XBL is the only platform where you pay for access to Netflix which is already has a subscription. Multiplayer is not relevant to the discussion.



In this day and age, with the Internet, ignorance is a choice! And they're still choosing Ignorance! - Dr. Filthy Frank

This is a good change, if true. Kinda not used to this. If this was their overall strategy i could decide to invest in their products.





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I think paying for a service that offers dedicated severs is reasonable. Point to point servers run by third parties is not something that customers should pay MS or Sony for. Hiding apps behind a paywall is silliness. I hope Mr. spencer is able to do this but 'look into' is not a promise.



shikamaru317 said:

I've never seen the Netflix paywall as a big deal, most Xbox owners already have an active gold subscription anyway for multiplayer gaming, and those that don't keep gold active are mostly multiplat gamers that have other consoles to watch Netflix on anyway. Regardless though, it's a smart idea since it will help change people's perception of MS as this greedy company.

I hope they remove gamertag changes from behind the paywall as well, I've been wanting to change my gamertag for awhile but I'm not going to pay $10 to do it. It costs MS next to nothing to change someone's gamertag, no reason that it should cost $10.

Phil is really filling this role as Xbox head nicely, way better than Matrick, the best Xbox head since Peter Moore.


Changing gamertag should stay $10. It makes you commit to that choice. Besides, at least you have the choice to change it. I don't think you can on PSN.