I dont know. I heard stories of snipers and police gunning down protesters and stuff like that, and  I wasnt aware that Kosovo was a site of genocide, tho I am sure Wesley Clark can convince me otherwise

No. Maybe some parts of eastern or southern Ukraine will follow crimea, but even that is a stretch. But Russia won't take the western part even if it gets it as gift.

Didn't the president said yesterday that all the seperatist and people who want to join Russia will feel the fire under their feet?

Do you believe that if Russia not invaded Crimea, Crimea and its citizens could have a peacefull referendum?


Anyway the noble prize is going to the Hufting post:

So Russia invaded almost three weeks ago because of something the acting president of Ukraine said yesterday (and which - let's face it - he has no real ability to act on)?

Ofcourse not but it was not a question if Crimea and it is inhabitants would be a part of Russia in the future or atleast independent but when it would happen..

I find it kind of amazing that it happened rather peacefull, in fact I see Western Media (not Russian) show us a lot of footage of happy citizens who were so happy that they could vote for their future... ...And then we see western media say that we should not tolerate this and that this is WW3....  In fact me and you are going to pay now money to someone who loves to start a war in his country  against Russia and at the meantime would not mind to get rid of the untermensen at the same time...

Well, if you call roving bands of unidentified gunmen and bikers peaceful, then I suppose...

I don't know if you're referring to Tyanhybok, who has no chance against Tymoshenko or Klitschko, or are just generally buying into absurd Russian claims that Ukraine has been taken over by Nazis. But Turchynov had taken war in Crimea off the table and is just venting his anger over the sham referendum, so you can relax your sphincter. There will be no war unless Russia pulls the same stunt elsewhere in Ukraine.

Well, you did buy into Ukrainian media claims transmitted to your part of the world that Tatars won't support the referendum. Your expectations have been proven wrong, and instead of correcting expectations you chose denial, so your stance on the events is not an example of a reasonable position.

As for the Nazis: a) Right Sector has been the prime force in the Ukrainian coup d'etat a month ago; b) a sizeable part of current officials in Kiev are affiliated or in direct cooperation with Svoboda or Right Sector -- so let's word it that way that current government is collaborating with nationalists on a political level and maintaning connections with paramilitary wings and radical groups of said forces at the same time. Of course, within Ukrainian panopticon PM seems like the most moderate personality and more or less politically correct, but that's just a requirement for the position he holds and the way to save face to his foreign partners -- they had to deal with smbd officially -- any other connections would be too much of a disgrace.

The real message of "Russian claims" is Ukraine has been taken over by Nazis, dramatization it might be but so far too much acts of vandalism, murder, hatred, racism and other violance has been caught on video to ignore. Government won't and can't do anything to stop these groups, call them Nazis or whatever other name. But they worship Stepan Bandera, that's very much Nazi in my book.

I think that the current Ukrainian government is a joke, and the western coverage of the matter has been very obscene. They took power through brute force, and will eventually either run down the country into the ground or attempt to create something akin to nazi germany. A likely example I can think of is if BNP, a minority right wing party took power in London and people would rush to support it if it was in their interests to destabilise the region while in reality the government that they will set up will be made up of nothing but far right bigots with very limied ability in regards to economy, or anything else for that matter. Don't get me wrong the current government is not much better IMO, but then again there is no party within UK that will actually lead the country to its former "glory".

Also read somewhere that the Ukrainian bigots posted a video online of them beating up a minister to force him to resign after he has published a pro Russian video, seems very democratic to me. Kudos to the west for setting up what is essentially a right wing dictatorship in Ukraine, even more kudos for people in actual Ukraine thinking that having a right wing party in power will do anything to improve their standards of living and freedom of speech. Don't even get me started on how shameful it is what they did to Berkut for essentially doing their job of defending democratically elected leader.

Fucking scumbags are in power in Ukraine, and the country will go to the dogs. Mark my words.

And badgenome, why are you questioning eligibility of the vote, when there wasn't even a vote in Kiev, it was just a very vocal minority that was armed by the west to destabilise the region. At the very least, the casualties of this referendum have been minimal, and the outcome would have been the same even if it is as you a claim a dodgy and laughable result, Russian speakers are a majority in Crimea region.

ja ne ponemayu poochemu vse eti democrati tak interesovoni v ukraini kogda ix Sami strani ne kogda ne vidut Sebya democratichno

Meet new republic on this damn planet -- People's Republic of Donetsk :D

I'm not sure for how long it'll last, but smth is brewing up all over the South-East.