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JEMC said:
Egann said:
If you have the intelligence to fend for yourself, you should.

The classic example, of course, is the Titanic, but what most people forget was that there was almost two hours between the launching of the first lifeboats and the actual sinking. Basically, by the time you know the ship is sinking and that there are not enough lifeboats, you have an hour left.

An hour of free reign of the ship? I'm sure I could come up with something to keep myself alive. Possibly someone else, too. I expect this of myself.

Sinking in five minutes with an arsoned fire onboard? That's not so likely.

If I'm not mistaken, what killed more people during the Titanic sinking were the fact that the lower classes had the "doors" closed and not all could escape in time and the fact that those who fall into the water (even the ones with life-jackets) died because of hypothermia.

Yes and no. The staff prioritized telling the first class passengers, but still most of the lower class did wind up on deck. In fact, if you trust wikipedia then the lower class passengers actually had a soccer game with a block of ice going on during the sinking. And hypothermia did kill most of the ones there, eventuallly.

Still, there are things you can do. Wool was a popular outer clothing fabric because it retains something like 90% of it's insulative properties, even if it's wet. It's just a matter of making or finding a way to stay out of the water for extended periods of time. The movie required blind luck to find a big bit of flotsam, but really so many things float it's got to be doable in a more controlled way. I expect no one thought to try because MacGuyver wasn't around back then.



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Women live longer than us men to begin with. Give us a shot for a change! Let them drown instead of us.



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Women can make make children!

Think about it. Fifty Women can make a fifty children with only ONE man.

...the one smart man who gets on the lifeboat with them.



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Because children generally need their mothers more than their fathers. I am a father and I wouldn't hesitate to give my life for my child or wife if it came to that. Before I had kids though, I probably would have been more selfish.



Egann said:
JEMC said:
Egann said:
If you have the intelligence to fend for yourself, you should.

The classic example, of course, is the Titanic, but what most people forget was that there was almost two hours between the launching of the first lifeboats and the actual sinking. Basically, by the time you know the ship is sinking and that there are not enough lifeboats, you have an hour left.

An hour of free reign of the ship? I'm sure I could come up with something to keep myself alive. Possibly someone else, too. I expect this of myself.

Sinking in five minutes with an arsoned fire onboard? That's not so likely.

If I'm not mistaken, what killed more people during the Titanic sinking were the fact that the lower classes had the "doors" closed and not all could escape in time and the fact that those who fall into the water (even the ones with life-jackets) died because of hypothermia.

Yes and no. The staff prioritized telling the first class passengers, but still most of the lower class did wind up on deck. In fact, if you trust wikipedia then the lower class passengers actually had a soccer game with a block of ice going on during the sinking. And hypothermia did kill most of the ones there, eventuallly.

Still, there are things you can do. Wool was a popular outer clothing fabric because it retains something like 90% of it's insulative properties, even if it's wet. It's just a matter of making or finding a way to stay out of the water for extended periods of time. The movie required blind luck to find a big bit of flotsam, but really so many things float it's got to be doable in a more controlled way. I expect no one thought to try because MacGuyver wasn't around back then.

I really doubt there were people playing football duringthe sinking. The deck would be too inclined to make it possible. Maybe just after the crash, but not after people realized what was going on.

Wool may be insulative, but when wet it weights a ton and, more importantly, it restricts your movements, that paired with the weight and with a minor case of hypothermia is enough to make anyone drown.

Sure, there would be a lot of debris, but most of them would be too small to hold the weight of a grown adult or of an irregular shape that would make them unstable and prone to overturn. The best thing someone could have thought of would be a door, but to use one you should have to either throw it and then jump on its side early in the sinking, which would be very difficult as it was night, with no moon (I think) and you would have the trouble of finding the door once you were in the water; or wait until the ship has almost sunk and jump with the door, which would be even worse as any sinking object creates a whirlpool, that in the case of a ship would drag you with it to the bottom.

Whatever they wanted to do, they were screwed.



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insomniac17 said:
ultima said:
insomniac17 said:

That said, I'd let pretty much everyone go first. Not because I have no value for my life, but because I don't want to see anyone else hurt if I could help them.

LOL. That's quite honourable. But would you not consider how the ones who love you will feel if you disappear? I know you wouldn't be around to see that in this scenario, but still.

I would. But I would also keep in mind the loved ones of all those around me, and how they would feel if their loved one didn't make it home.


somebody give this man a medal. or 7.



MohammadBadir said:
insomniac17 said:
ultima said:
insomniac17 said:

That said, I'd let pretty much everyone go first. Not because I have no value for my life, but because I don't want to see anyone else hurt if I could help them.

LOL. That's quite honourable. But would you not consider how the ones who love you will feel if you disappear? I know you wouldn't be around to see that in this scenario, but still.

I would. But I would also keep in mind the loved ones of all those around me, and how they would feel if their loved one didn't make it home.


somebody give this man a medal. or 7.

7? Do you want him to sink faster or what?

Better give him something like this

We need more people like him!



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Weedlab said:
You know ... when I express my views on this topic women think I'm an asshole, so you should catch my drift. Children? Yes I'd give them a pass, but women? Nope. Every man and woman for him/herself. The women I know demand to be treated equally and fairly in terms of general treatment and job prospects, so with that said I see no reason to discriminate in other cases. I just won't hit a woman, but a life is a life and I'm not going to sacrifice myself because society thinks I should be a 'gentleman'.

Amen.   Although I have to say that I'm not gonna hit a women not because I'm a gentleman.  No, I'm not gonna hit a women or a man because I'm not a dick! LOL