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kain_kusanagi said:
wfz said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here we go again. Anytime someone is offended we get an earful from those who say it's not. If someone is offended than it is offensive. Girls on a stage in sexy outfits doing sexy dancing. Yeah I'm sure the professional woman of GDC just loved it.

Come on guys. GDC is conference for game developer professionals. I'm all for a fun party, but is it really professional to hire dancing girls when woman have been fighting for respect in the gaming industry for decades?

You don't have to be offended for someone to be offensive to someone else. I'm not offended by the girls. I love sexy dancing girls. But it's not a bachelor party, it's and industry event.

I'd also like to point out that the whole "anything goes" and "stop being sensitive" attitude is a little inconsiderate.


Wow, you really went full throttle there! I won't bother replying to most of it, since I didn't even make those points in my OP, but I will stand by the fact that I don't think it's anything to be offended about when girls wear pretty clothing and dance. There's a difference between wearing a dress and wearing a thong! 

Also, why can't women dress pretty, dance, and still be respected? Are men not respected at events where there are men dancing on stage?


You put a sexy girl in a sexy outfit on a stage to do a sexy dance. Who is it for? It's for men to ogle at. I like to ogle at sexy girls doing sexy dances as much as the next guy, so I'm not offended. However, I can completely understand how the professional woman at GDC saw these dancing girls as undermining everything they have fought for in the industry.

Can a dancing girl be respected?  Of course, I have no disrespect for dancing girls. That's not the point. The professional woman at GDC are tired of woman being seen as nothing more than sexual objects for men's enjoyment.

The women who came to GDC are professionals that want to be respected for their contribution to video game design. One of the most important topics at this year's GDC was the portrayal of woman in video games.

 


I find it interesting that you think of women dancers as nothing but sexual objects for male enjoyment. I suppose a lot of it is place and context, but those women in the picture definitely do not look like sexual objects to me, they look like women in pretty party clothing who are dancing and having fun.

As a side topic, I also find it humorous how scared we USA citizens are of the human body and how its depiction without full clothing must always be purely sexually undermining (if it's a female. If it's a male's body, then its sexual empowerment, I think. I don't quite understand how it works).



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wfz said:
kain_kusanagi said:
wfz said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here we go again. Anytime someone is offended we get an earful from those who say it's not. If someone is offended than it is offensive. Girls on a stage in sexy outfits doing sexy dancing. Yeah I'm sure the professional woman of GDC just loved it.

Come on guys. GDC is conference for game developer professionals. I'm all for a fun party, but is it really professional to hire dancing girls when woman have been fighting for respect in the gaming industry for decades?

You don't have to be offended for someone to be offensive to someone else. I'm not offended by the girls. I love sexy dancing girls. But it's not a bachelor party, it's and industry event.

I'd also like to point out that the whole "anything goes" and "stop being sensitive" attitude is a little inconsiderate.


Wow, you really went full throttle there! I won't bother replying to most of it, since I didn't even make those points in my OP, but I will stand by the fact that I don't think it's anything to be offended about when girls wear pretty clothing and dance. There's a difference between wearing a dress and wearing a thong! 

Also, why can't women dress pretty, dance, and still be respected? Are men not respected at events where there are men dancing on stage?


You put a sexy girl in a sexy outfit on a stage to do a sexy dance. Who is it for? It's for men to ogle at. I like to ogle at sexy girls doing sexy dances as much as the next guy, so I'm not offended. However, I can completely understand how the professional woman at GDC saw these dancing girls as undermining everything they have fought for in the industry.

Can a dancing girl be respected?  Of course, I have no disrespect for dancing girls. That's not the point. The professional woman at GDC are tired of woman being seen as nothing more than sexual objects for men's enjoyment.

The women who came to GDC are professionals that want to be respected for their contribution to video game design. One of the most important topics at this year's GDC was the portrayal of woman in video games.

 


I find it interesting that you think of women dancers as nothing but sexual objects for male enjoyment. I suppose a lot of it is place and context, but those women in the picture definitely do not look like sexual objects to me, they look like women in pretty party clothing who are dancing and having fun.

As a side topic, I also find it humorous how scared we USA citizens are of the human body and how its depiction without full clothing must always be purely sexually undermining (if it's a female. If it's a male's body, then its sexual empowerment, I think. I don't quite understand how it works).


I doubt it's the female form or the cloths that upset these woman. It's the context of it. I don't see woman dancers as only sexual objects. I'm saying that that's what these woman felt was being depicted. They put woman up on a stage to do a sexy dance. They didn't put a dancing troop on the stage with men and woman dancers. They put sexy girls in sexy outfits for men to ogle at. That's what I think the professional woman were offended by and that's what I can empathize with.

Is this the most offensive thing every to happen in the world? No. Do the offended woman have reason o be offended? Yes. I think they are entitled to be sensitive about the subject of equality since they still are fighting for equality.



kain_kusanagi said:
NolSinkler said:
docholliday said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here we go again. Anytime someone is offended we get an earful from those who say it's not. If someone is offended than it is offensive. Girls on a stage in sexy outfits doing sexy dancing. Yeah I'm sure the professional woman of GDC just loved it.

Come on guys. GDC is conference for game developer professionals. I'm all for a fun party, but is it really professional to hire dancing girls when woman have been fighting for respect in the gaming industry for decades?

You don't have to be offended for someone to be offensive to someone else. I'm not offended by the girls. I love sexy dancing girls. But it's not a bachelor party, it's and industry event.

I'd also like to point out that the whole "anything goes" and "stop being sensitive" attitude is a little inconsiderate.

I am offended by your post so therefore by your logic it is indeed offensive. The fact is we have become too sensitive as a society and it is desensitizing us as a society to REAL issues that my indeed actually be offensive. Its the whole crying wolf thing, ppl are eventually gonna tune it all out and when someting REAL happens no one will care.

Indeed.  People get offended by every damned thing.  If we all try to appease the offended people then our world will suck and be really boring.  I think that the offended people in many cases need to learn that they're annoying.

To quote Eminem (and imagine if his stuff had never been made because it was so offensive!): "You find me offensive? I find you offensive for finding me offensive!"

Nobody is forced to listen to Eminem's c-rap so he can be as offensive as he wants and if people don't like it they can avoid it. A professional event for professional game designers including woman put girls on a stage for men's pleasure. The woman there didn't know it was going to happen and even if they did it would still offend them to know that their industry still views woman as sexual objects even after decades of fighting for equality.

To say they are over sensitive is to be insensitive or at the very least shows a lack of empathy.

Nobody is forced to go to a professional game designers' event so they can be as offensive as they want and if people don't like it they can avoid it.   A professional rap album for professional music critics including explicit lyrics using women on stage for men's listening pleasure.  The women critics didn't know it was going to happen and even if they did it would still offend them to know that their industry still views women as sexual objects even after decades of fighting for equality.

To say they are over sensitive is to be insensitive or at the very least shows a lack of empathy.



In other words your arguments are inconsistent and quite frankly terrible.



kain_kusanagi said:

The women who came to GDC are professionals that want to be respected for their contribution to video game design. One of the most important topics at this year's GDC was the portrayal of woman in video games.

Then Brenda Braithwaite shouldn't have gotten so angry. Maybe they were just paying tribute to her contribution to video game design.



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kain_kusanagi said:
Here we go again. Anytime someone is offended we get an earful from those who say it's not. If someone is offended than it is offensive. Girls on a stage in sexy outfits doing sexy dancing. Yeah I'm sure the professional woman of GDC just loved it.

Come on guys. GDC is conference for game developer professionals. I'm all for a fun party, but is it really professional to hire dancing girls when woman have been fighting for respect in the gaming industry for decades?

You don't have to be offended for someone to be offensive to someone else. I'm not offended by the girls. I love sexy dancing girls. But it's not a bachelor party, it's and industry event.

I'd also like to point out that the whole "anything goes" and "stop being sensitive" attitude is a little inconsiderate.

on parties you try some stuff to make it a good party which often includes professional or half professional dancers to get a better mood and to convince other people to go on the dance floor or just to have fun. yes those dancers don't wear jackets and you see the legs but i seriously know no woman who feels offended to see  professional dancers dancing on a party (yes also parties for a specific industry or parties where dancers have much less on them). if a woman feels offended by seeing those dancers she has to have serious problems with herself and not because it's so bad for someone who isn't interested in it.

do i feel offended if i see a professional guy dancing on a party? no, i just don't care for him and i'm happy for those who like to see him dancing. hey most like to see him dancing on this party and he is contributing for a better party with people going faster on the dance floor? great that he is there then!

other people can't stand someone who drank some alcohol, should we stop selling alcohol on the bar now because some don't like people who drink it but they have to see and even smell them then on the gdc party?

it's not as if that is in a conference room, it's the gdc party which probably includes a small dance floor and stuff.





docholliday said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here we go again. Anytime someone is offended we get an earful from those who say it's not. If someone is offended than it is offensive. Girls on a stage in sexy outfits doing sexy dancing. Yeah I'm sure the professional woman of GDC just loved it.

Come on guys. GDC is conference for game developer professionals. I'm all for a fun party, but is it really professional to hire dancing girls when woman have been fighting for respect in the gaming industry for decades?

You don't have to be offended for someone to be offensive to someone else. I'm not offended by the girls. I love sexy dancing girls. But it's not a bachelor party, it's and industry event.

I'd also like to point out that the whole "anything goes" and "stop being sensitive" attitude is a little inconsiderate.

I am offended by your post so therefore by your logic it is indeed offensive. The fact is we have become too sensitive as a society and it is desensitizing us as a society to REAL issues that my indeed actually be offensive. Its the whole crying wolf thing, ppl are eventually gonna tune it all out and when someting REAL happens no one will care.

Hear, hear!



NolSinkler said:
kain_kusanagi said:
NolSinkler said:
docholliday said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Here we go again. Anytime someone is offended we get an earful from those who say it's not. If someone is offended than it is offensive. Girls on a stage in sexy outfits doing sexy dancing. Yeah I'm sure the professional woman of GDC just loved it.

Come on guys. GDC is conference for game developer professionals. I'm all for a fun party, but is it really professional to hire dancing girls when woman have been fighting for respect in the gaming industry for decades?

You don't have to be offended for someone to be offensive to someone else. I'm not offended by the girls. I love sexy dancing girls. But it's not a bachelor party, it's and industry event.

I'd also like to point out that the whole "anything goes" and "stop being sensitive" attitude is a little inconsiderate.

I am offended by your post so therefore by your logic it is indeed offensive. The fact is we have become too sensitive as a society and it is desensitizing us as a society to REAL issues that my indeed actually be offensive. Its the whole crying wolf thing, ppl are eventually gonna tune it all out and when someting REAL happens no one will care.

Indeed.  People get offended by every damned thing.  If we all try to appease the offended people then our world will suck and be really boring.  I think that the offended people in many cases need to learn that they're annoying.

To quote Eminem (and imagine if his stuff had never been made because it was so offensive!): "You find me offensive? I find you offensive for finding me offensive!"

Nobody is forced to listen to Eminem's c-rap so he can be as offensive as he wants and if people don't like it they can avoid it. A professional event for professional game designers including woman put girls on a stage for men's pleasure. The woman there didn't know it was going to happen and even if they did it would still offend them to know that their industry still views woman as sexual objects even after decades of fighting for equality.

To say they are over sensitive is to be insensitive or at the very least shows a lack of empathy.

Nobody is forced to go to a professional game designers' event so they can be as offensive as they want and if people don't like it they can avoid it.   A professional rap album for professional music critics including explicit lyrics using women on stage for men's listening pleasure.  The women critics didn't know it was going to happen and even if they did it would still offend them to know that their industry still views women as sexual objects even after decades of fighting for equality.

To say they are over sensitive is to be insensitive or at the very least shows a lack of empathy.


lol, that's just childish.

What's next, "I know you are, but what am I?"





i volounteer to scantilly clad dance with them to couneract for this terrible axt of sexism



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’