What do you think?

This was inspired by this threads ending: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=152358&page=5

Not to beat a dead Horse, but I was talking about guns recently with a co-worker of mine, and wow I can't believe I was blind to a few facts.

First of all, I find it insane that people are pro-gun at all in the USA. You need a gun for protect? How messed up is that? So are tourists from regions of the world who don't carry guns not safe to roam the streets of USA? If No one had guns, there would be less homicides, robberies and all forms of violent offences, simple as that. If old people need protection, they can get a taser gun, or mace, which has been shown to be just as effective to warn off individuals. I would even imagine it being more effective, because you can mace someone without feeling too guilty, but nothing brings back a soul from death.

Handguns => More Violence - This is why Canada has less violence (homicidal or just violent offences) then USA, by quite a bit too.

How do you say? In the other thread, a graph was shown which related countries with various homicide rates and ploted them against the number of gun owners, and it showed there was no significant difference right?

However what that graph did not include the ability to import weapons from other countries/states illegally.

You see while various countries in Europe and varous states within the USA have different gun ownership laws, there are no inspection boarders between states and countries within Europe. So people in California really have no trouble buying a gun in Texas, they might not be able to buy it themselves, but they can easily get a friend to buy it, or find a stollen one. Same with Europe. So even though neighbouring countries in Europe and states in USA have similar homicide rates despite different gun laws, this doesn't mean that there is no correlation between the two.

Canada however has an inspection boarder with USA. South Korea and Japan (two places with lower homicide rates in the world, and a gun ban) have heavy boarder security with their neighbours. So guns have trouble getting in illegally.

And what do we see? Societies with the same media, similar culture, similar qualities, lifestyles, etc, but a vastly different homicide rate.

Also no mass gun shootings...

Some Ideas:


-Ban Guns All Together

-Ban Guns, except at firing ranges. Where else do you need a gun?

-Ban Guns All Together, but make Hunting Rifles legal to carry in rural towns, near designated hunting grounds. You don't need to carry a gun in a major city, if you just need it for hunting, make it the law to have a gun stored at a shooting range, or police station, near the hunting range. Therefore no weapons should ever be in a major city unless it's a police Firearm.

-Ban Guns, except Rifles. Same as above, but you can take the rifle home (How many robberies or street muggings are done with a rifle?) You can still protect your house/car this way.

-Just Ban handguns. Really, Handguns are responsible for the majority of gun related homicides in the USA, they are easily conceilable, and serve no purpose except to kill others. If you need to carry a pistol into Wal-Mart to shop in safety, then something is seriously messed up.

-Just Ban Semi-Automatic Rifles. Does an elderly woman with a psychopathic son really need a semi-auto? This just brings trouble.

-Guns are fine, it's just the people who carry them. We need to make gun ownership more strict, and maybe add a longer wait time.

-Nothing wrong with guns. If I want to carry one, I should.

-I disagree with you, I think Guns makes no difference to the homicide rate

-(Not on poll) - Guns reduce violence, we should all have guns

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However, it is important to note that Drugs >>> Guns in homicide rates and violent crimes (And I always agreed to that). The most violent US states, European countries, and in fact, countries around the world, are those with the biggest drug problems. Nevada, Sierra Lione, Columbia, etc.





What are you're thoughts, I'm very curious.

Does anyone have a counter to this? Or should Americans have guns because "it's their right to" even though it imposes on the right to safety for others.

A band? You mean like Revolver

I would say no, because it causes a shitstorm and is going to be a slow process. 

Both Sides Make a lot of Bogus Arguments.

The NRA's and Right's side of Mental Health Care is going to fix the problem is idiotic, and contradictory being that they don't support health care in the first place. Mental health is complicated and expensive, and extremely to diagnose.

I know this because, I've had mental health issues (I'm bipolar). And I've seen many people worse than me. It's not so simple as to say better mental health care is going to stop violence. It's not that simple.

Much like just banning guns isn't going to solve everything Either. There's still bombs, knives etc.

The U.S. should be worrying about other more pertinent things. Like a balanced budget that cuts government spending. Than playing politics accusing Obama of not shooting skeet, and then obama showing him a picture of a shotgun.

imo anyways.

No. Next topic.

"Band" guns? uhhh

Oh and please do like Tom Wilson says:

Watch this video if you are against guns and think you have stats backing it up.

I think he meant ''brand'' guns

Oh, he removed the D from the topic title. :( I still think we should band guns though.

What about other countries? Canada's gun ownership rate is much lower then USA.

Is this a good vice to have? People go to other countries for sex and drugs, but do people come to USA to shoot people? You can still have guns legal at hunting ranges, or shooting ranges.

Alcohol has a purpose, what purpose do guns have? If you need to de-stress, and shooting a gun does that for you, do you not already do that at a shooting range? Why do you need to take the weapon home?

That video is so biased.

A) Criminals will still keep weapons, and only law abiding citizens will follow the law? Aren't guns in the USA registered like in Canada? You go door to door and take away guns, or put individuals in jail. Also it's a slow process, don't ban all guns at once, start at semi automatics.

If it's already too dangerous to take semi autos from registered owners, USA has some big issues, gun related.

B) Mass Murders by young individuals - Happens too much in the USA. That video counters this by mentioning a cop who used a gun correctly? Obviously Gun should carry guns, that's a silly counter.

C) Violent Video Games - Yup, Canada, much lower homicide rate

D) USA is more violent - It is, statistically, USA is among the most violent country out of all the developed countries. Your video counters this by mentioning Mexico, but again, how hard is it to smuggle a gun into Mexico? Just because guns are banned, doesn't mean they don't find their way into the country.

D-II) LOL He mentions a Mass shooting in Germany. Like I said, a gun ban won't solve everything, you need to stop guns from comming into the country. Gemrnay has a free boarder, so just like in USA, people can easily bring in a gun from another country....illegally.

E) - Removing Guns = less violence? Not right away, I agree with your video, China is a good example, but mass stabbing result in less murders then mass murders.

Anyway, I watched 7 minutes of the video, it's arguing a different point them me. I'm talking about banning guns, and making it difficult to import weapons. What's the point of banning guns if people can still smuggle them in?

This is why Canada has never had a mass shooting, and never will (unless an American smuggles a gun into the country and does this himself). This is why our homicide rate is that much lower.