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ninetailschris on 14 November 2012
VGKing said:
ninetailschris said:
VGKing said:
ninetailschris said:
Want to point out that this will not BLOW out Wii-U lol.

If this is true this would only be a bump up from Wii-U that isn't that impressive.

Btw when it says the developers have 16 or 8 that is develop kit so we are looking at 8 to 4 ram.

How much is OS also?

Anyway this funny to me.

Rumor is incomplete. Pretty sure the previous rumor months ago mentioned a dedicated graphics card on top of this APU. That's the only way PS4 would be able to handle 1080p, 60FPS 3D. A 2010 document from a Sony presentation states that a console would need to be 10x the power of the PS3 in order to support 1080p 3D at 60FPS in naked-eye 3D.(multiple viewing angles). That is the PS4s target performance. Blows the Wii U out of the water.

We have vague Wii U specs but from what I see, its not much more powerful than a PS3. It is only 2 to 3 times more powerful. I am being very optimistic here.


lol we have guillable one here.

Remember ps2 would be able to have Toy story like graphics in real time?
-Didn't follow news back then, but I say PS2 games like Ratchet and Clank definitely looked the part.

Remeber when they said ps3 would be able to do 1080 native p ?
-Yes, and it does. Wipeout HD says hi. It all depends on the game. 

Just because someone wants something to happen doesn't mean it will happen.
-Thanks for the life lesson. I'm going off rumors, not what I want.

"dedicated graphics card on top of this APU"

  AP10 if used as a dedicated card would be horrible so don't brag about it using both it is going to be forced too.
-Huh? I dont' understand what you're saying here. The AMD A10 APU is a CPU + GPU combined. The integrated GPU is rather weak on its own....a previous rumor mentioned that a dedicated GPU would work together with the APU.

" console would need to be 10x the power of the PS3 in order to support 1080p 3D at 60FPS in naked-eye 3D."

Let's see if know anything about tech what do you think the graphic card is?
-I have no idea. I just know that the APU mentioned in this rumor won't be able to output 1080p 3D at 60FPS on its own. This is why I advise you to go back and read some prevous PS4 specs rumors which mention a dedicated GPU.

Because it sounds like your hinting to 7970 it believe that you literally need to check yourself.

http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/04/report-ign-sources-detail-confirm-sonys-rumored-ps4-specs/

This is the rumor from earlier in the year. Back then they were using the A8 APU on PS4.(It is now using an A10, and will probably upgrade to something better once the final devkit is released)

And I quote..

"The A8-3850 has a quad-core 2.9GHz processor with an integrated graphics chip while the APU will “work in tandem with the system’s dedicated GPU, the HD 7670″ which is a DirectX 11 card “clocked to 1GHz with up to 1GB of dedicated VRAM.”

 

The HD 7670 is a version of 2011′s HD 6670 with identical specs and rumored to be the same card used in the next Xbox console.

 

The A8-3850 is an HD 6550D so the APU would be capable of running games “at baseline specs and lower resolutions without the help of a discrete GPU.” Put together with the HD 7670 and a “symmetrical CrossFire configuration” will be utilized to “share the load of realtime graphics processing.”"

 

I'm not that educated in GPU/CPU tech but these specs from earlier in the year sound more powerful than a Wii U. Specs have only been upgraded with each new leak.


7670 isn't a big leap from a 6670(rumored in the wii-U,.

You do know it is only one generation ahead right? You do know it's not even a great jump ?  6770 can easily do 1080 p graphics at 60 frames (depending on the game ) 7670 can do beyond 1080p but not by much or sometimes it can't

http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/59587/421195.aspx

It's basically a new 6670 but isn't impressive.

A10( just because it's number 10 not 8 doesn't mean it's the greatest thing ever) is really one big GPCPU so........ it's basically something the wii-u has but I don't know what the Wii-U is using at the moment for it's GPCPU.

But yea this is actually pretty funny how people are damage controlling this like this is some beast machine when really it's just a One gen older Wii-U with more ram. Btw both are able to do direct x 11 but 7670 is better at it.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 14 November 2012
Chark said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Roughly two years dev time for most games since a dev kit close enough to definitive HW is available, this should mean a Q4 2014 launch.


They've had the graphics card pinned for the PS4 a while now so they've been developing already. These new dev kits are additional clarification on final specs and branching out to more developers who may or may not be aiming for launch.

Yes, this could make Q3 2014 another option. Q1 and Q2, even if possible, wouldn't be a good choice, and Q4 2013 would still be too early and allow it to have only rushed or little games and ports at launch, possibly ruining it, a risk Sony cannot take.



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BlkPaladin on 14 November 2012
kain_kusanagi said:

If the the latest dev kits aren't going out until Jan and won't be finalized until mid 2012, I don't think the games will be ready for a 2013 launch. The Nextbox rumors of dev kits have been going around for a long time so it's definitely launching in 2013, but if PS4 dev kits are this late it seems like a 2014 launch for Sony. Now if devs have ha early dev kits for as long as the Nextbox then they will launch together. Rumors are rumors though.

If I remember correctly the Wii U's finalized units didn't go out until April of this year. And there are quite a number of games coming out for it. You really don't needs a final SDK to make a game. You just need one to test the made game. So games that are in the beta forms when the final kits come out have a high chance of being launch titles. Though if this is true I wouldn't expect many.



bananaking21 on 14 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
jayson1 said:
I think they will show ps4 at the next e3. It falls in line with alot of rumors. I say PS4 shown 2013 released2013 or 2014, Nextbox 2014.


I am thinking that it will release at the end of 2013 even though they have more than enough games flooding 2013. They have like seven hot exclusives to launch before the next launch.

1. God of War: Ascension

2. Last of US

3. Beyond: Two Souls.

4. Dust 415

5. Final Fantasy XIII: Versus

6. The last Guardian

7. Ni No Kuni

They could launch 2014 and it would still be ok.

Puppeteer people!!! its only looking like the most innovative 2D platformer in years!



HoloDust on 14 November 2012
ninetailschris said:


7670 isn't a big leap from a 6670(rumored in the wii-U,.

You do know it is only one generation ahead right? You do know it's not even a great jump ?  6770 can easily do 1080 p graphics at 60 frames (depending on the game ) 7670 can do beyond 1080p but not by much or sometimes it can't

http://hothardware.com/cs/forums/p/59587/421195.aspx

It's basically a new 6670 but isn't impressive.

A10( just because it's number 10 not 8 doesn't mean it's the greatest thing ever) is really one big GPCPU so........ it's basically something the wii-u has but I don't know what the Wii-U is using at the moment for it's GPCPU.

But yea this is actually pretty funny how people are damage controlling this like this is some beast machine when really it's just a One gen older Wii-U with more ram. Btw both are able to do direct x 11 but 7670 is better at it.

7670 is just rebranded 6670 - same chip, same specs, same performance.

6670 is not rumoured card for WiiU, it's e6760 which is slightly downclocked 6570 (and has exactly same specs as 6750m if you prefer mobile counterparts).

A10-5700+6670/7670 combo gives aproximate performance of 6770 (which is not that great really) - for comparison against what might be inside WiiU check table:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=136756&page=87

For Crysis 2 Ultra with hi-res textures @720p on 6770:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGVhwv2YMZs



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Cleary397 on 14 November 2012

"This is to ensure that i can play 1080p games at 60" Nice reporting IGN. 60 what? lol

This is just a whole lot of news about nothing. Until final dev kits are delivered and leaked its all just rumor as far as im concerned



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Galaki on 14 November 2012
kowenicki said:
Why do people take disollitude on in 3D or discussions of this type. He knows this stuff.

Well, we do need someone who knows his stuff to lay a smack down and then some.



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leo-j on 14 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


What's that suppose to mean? Did they launch a handheld system that is selling at a loss and is hard to code for? Don't be that guy.

One of PSP's biggest flaws was it tried to mimic console gaming.  While this worked at first it eventually stagnated.  The Vita is doing the same thing with a high price point like the PS3's launch with no titles that appeals to a mass amount of people.  They learned nothing from the PSP or the PS3 launch looking at the Vita.  That is what that meant.

except the PSP was trying to run PS2 games on hardware that couldn't run PS2 games.. in fact it was receiving hybrid Mobile/PS2 port like games.. that didn't have much of the PS2 games features..

Vita is doing the opposite.. vita is basically trying to be a PS3 in your pocket.. which is different than a PSP, which was tryin to offer console like graphics on pocket and that's all.. Vita has PSN behind it.. and hardware somewhere between Wii and PS3.. and is capable of running games almost on par with ps3.. like need for speed most wanted.. open world.. visuals almost on par with ps3 version.. but less traffic/online players(although still the same core game)..



 

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Alby_da_Wolf on 14 November 2012
kowenicki said:
Why do people take disollitude on in 3D or discussions of this type. He knows this stuff.

On topic, PS4 has to come next year or they are looking at 3rd again. In Japan for instance a one year lead to the WiiU is suicide.

Being 3rd, but this time without huge initial losses, and possibly reaching 2nd place late, could be acceptable. Sony has a narrower range of choices than MS. As for competition with Wii U, being one year late could be a bad start, but being two years late could change the game and avoid direct competition. It would still be just one year later than XB720, so Sony would be playing two different games with Ninty and MS. With Ninty, and in Japan, it could be almost like breaking the generation concept, but if you consider that, due to different audiences in the major regions, they all are already playing almost three different games, the paradigm change could be less dramatic than it looks like.



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leo-j on 14 November 2012

Wii U is competing with PS3/360.. yes it can be and should be considered NINTENDO'S NEX GEN SYSTEM.. but in truth it really is competing with PS3/360 and for the same HD market they currently dominate..

I don't see Wii U affecting the nexgen offerings from Sony and Microsoft too much..



 

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