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leo-j on 14 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


What's that suppose to mean? Did they launch a handheld system that is selling at a loss and is hard to code for? Don't be that guy.

One of PSP's biggest flaws was it tried to mimic console gaming.  While this worked at first it eventually stagnated.  The Vita is doing the same thing with a high price point like the PS3's launch with no titles that appeals to a mass amount of people.  They learned nothing from the PSP or the PS3 launch looking at the Vita.  That is what that meant.

except the PSP was trying to run PS2 games on hardware that couldn't run PS2 games.. in fact it was receiving hybrid Mobile/PS2 port like games.. that didn't have much of the PS2 games features..

Vita is doing the opposite.. vita is basically trying to be a PS3 in your pocket.. which is different than a PSP, which was tryin to offer console like graphics on pocket and that's all.. Vita has PSN behind it.. and hardware somewhere between Wii and PS3.. and is capable of running games almost on par with ps3.. like need for speed most wanted.. open world.. visuals almost on par with ps3 version.. but less traffic/online players(although still the same core game)..


This entire comment makes no sense.

PSP and Vita has almost the exact same strategy.

PSP mimics the PS2

Vita mimics the PS3

How about going back and looking at software sold on the PSP.  For the first few years the thing sold really well and then people didnt care any more and it dropped.  Pirating was also an issue.

The Vita hasn't even had a good start because people already know what to expect from Sony in the hand held market.  People has lost faith in Sony and as you all will probably notice, console like games on the go doesn't work well.  Why?  Because you can get a better version on a home console that people already own.

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..



 

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JoeTheBro on 14 November 2012
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


What's that suppose to mean? Did they launch a handheld system that is selling at a loss and is hard to code for? Don't be that guy.

One of PSP's biggest flaws was it tried to mimic console gaming.  While this worked at first it eventually stagnated.  The Vita is doing the same thing with a high price point like the PS3's launch with no titles that appeals to a mass amount of people.  They learned nothing from the PSP or the PS3 launch looking at the Vita.  That is what that meant.

except the PSP was trying to run PS2 games on hardware that couldn't run PS2 games.. in fact it was receiving hybrid Mobile/PS2 port like games.. that didn't have much of the PS2 games features..

Vita is doing the opposite.. vita is basically trying to be a PS3 in your pocket.. which is different than a PSP, which was tryin to offer console like graphics on pocket and that's all.. Vita has PSN behind it.. and hardware somewhere between Wii and PS3.. and is capable of running games almost on par with ps3.. like need for speed most wanted.. open world.. visuals almost on par with ps3 version.. but less traffic/online players(although still the same core game)..


This entire comment makes no sense.

PSP and Vita has almost the exact same strategy.

PSP mimics the PS2

Vita mimics the PS3

How about going back and looking at software sold on the PSP.  For the first few years the thing sold really well and then people didnt care any more and it dropped.  Pirating was also an issue.

The Vita hasn't even had a good start because people already know what to expect from Sony in the hand held market.  People has lost faith in Sony and as you all will probably notice, console like games on the go doesn't work well.  Why?  Because you can get a better version on a home console that people already own.

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)



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sales2099 on 14 November 2012
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


What's that suppose to mean? Did they launch a handheld system that is selling at a loss and is hard to code for? Don't be that guy.

One of PSP's biggest flaws was it tried to mimic console gaming.  While this worked at first it eventually stagnated.  The Vita is doing the same thing with a high price point like the PS3's launch with no titles that appeals to a mass amount of people.  They learned nothing from the PSP or the PS3 launch looking at the Vita.  That is what that meant.

except the PSP was trying to run PS2 games on hardware that couldn't run PS2 games.. in fact it was receiving hybrid Mobile/PS2 port like games.. that didn't have much of the PS2 games features..

Vita is doing the opposite.. vita is basically trying to be a PS3 in your pocket.. which is different than a PSP, which was tryin to offer console like graphics on pocket and that's all.. Vita has PSN behind it.. and hardware somewhere between Wii and PS3.. and is capable of running games almost on par with ps3.. like need for speed most wanted.. open world.. visuals almost on par with ps3 version.. but less traffic/online players(although still the same core game)..


This entire comment makes no sense.

PSP and Vita has almost the exact same strategy.

PSP mimics the PS2

Vita mimics the PS3

How about going back and looking at software sold on the PSP.  For the first few years the thing sold really well and then people didnt care any more and it dropped.  Pirating was also an issue.

The Vita hasn't even had a good start because people already know what to expect from Sony in the hand held market.  People has lost faith in Sony and as you all will probably notice, console like games on the go doesn't work well.  Why?  Because you can get a better version on a home console that people already own.

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..

Both mimicked. Your just making the claim that the Vita does a better job of it.



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Kasz216 on 14 November 2012
leo-j said:
Kasz216 said:
leo-j said:

Wii U is competing with PS3/360.. yes it can be and should be considered NINTENDO'S NEX GEN SYSTEM.. but in truth it really is competing with PS3/360 and for the same HD market they currently dominate..

You do realize that's exactly how every single generation happens right?

One new console enters into the old market and competes with the old competitors.

It was no different with the 360 last generation.


people aren't upgrading to a WII u from a ps3/360 more than likely.. it isn't a successor to the HD consoles.. it's nintendo's jump into the HD market with hardware slightly more powerful than the HD consoles.. and a tablet controller that is meant to bring dual screen gaming to consoles..

That seems like an opinion made without any attempt at analysis, source or previous situations.



JoeTheBro on 14 November 2012
sales2099 said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..

Both mimicked. Your just making the claim that the Vita does a better job of it.

Is it mimicking if the Vita does it better than the source material?



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Jaywood2010 on 14 November 2012
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


What's that suppose to mean? Did they launch a handheld system that is selling at a loss and is hard to code for? Don't be that guy.

One of PSP's biggest flaws was it tried to mimic console gaming.  While this worked at first it eventually stagnated.  The Vita is doing the same thing with a high price point like the PS3's launch with no titles that appeals to a mass amount of people.  They learned nothing from the PSP or the PS3 launch looking at the Vita.  That is what that meant.

except the PSP was trying to run PS2 games on hardware that couldn't run PS2 games.. in fact it was receiving hybrid Mobile/PS2 port like games.. that didn't have much of the PS2 games features..

Vita is doing the opposite.. vita is basically trying to be a PS3 in your pocket.. which is different than a PSP, which was tryin to offer console like graphics on pocket and that's all.. Vita has PSN behind it.. and hardware somewhere between Wii and PS3.. and is capable of running games almost on par with ps3.. like need for speed most wanted.. open world.. visuals almost on par with ps3 version.. but less traffic/online players(although still the same core game)..


This entire comment makes no sense.

PSP and Vita has almost the exact same strategy.

PSP mimics the PS2

Vita mimics the PS3

How about going back and looking at software sold on the PSP.  For the first few years the thing sold really well and then people didnt care any more and it dropped.  Pirating was also an issue.

The Vita hasn't even had a good start because people already know what to expect from Sony in the hand held market.  People has lost faith in Sony and as you all will probably notice, console like games on the go doesn't work well.  Why?  Because you can get a better version on a home console that people already own.

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


You don't get it.  They are both focused on console like games.  Is that a better way of saying it?  Go ahead and defend it but it was a bad strategy then and it's still a bad strategy now but even worst.  

Oh and the Sony All Stars, sorry to burst your bubble but I called this a long time ago and I still stand behind it.  The game is going to flop.  It may sell above 1 million but the reviews will be lack luster.  For the vita the thing will bomb both sale wise and score.

Once again the majority of the people could care less about the cross play feature as most dont even know about it.  And once again the console PS3 version will out do the Vita version. 




       

Jaywood2010 on 14 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:
JayWood2010 said:
Chark said:
JayWood2010 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bristow9091 said:
I hope it's the most powerful of the three next gen consoles, but at the same time, easier to code for, so we don't see shoddy ports again, lol.


It will be fine. They wont make the same mistake twice. They know what they need to do now. We'll all find out soon.


Yeah that's what they said about the Vita too....


What's that suppose to mean? Did they launch a handheld system that is selling at a loss and is hard to code for? Don't be that guy.

One of PSP's biggest flaws was it tried to mimic console gaming.  While this worked at first it eventually stagnated.  The Vita is doing the same thing with a high price point like the PS3's launch with no titles that appeals to a mass amount of people.  They learned nothing from the PSP or the PS3 launch looking at the Vita.  That is what that meant.

except the PSP was trying to run PS2 games on hardware that couldn't run PS2 games.. in fact it was receiving hybrid Mobile/PS2 port like games.. that didn't have much of the PS2 games features..

Vita is doing the opposite.. vita is basically trying to be a PS3 in your pocket.. which is different than a PSP, which was tryin to offer console like graphics on pocket and that's all.. Vita has PSN behind it.. and hardware somewhere between Wii and PS3.. and is capable of running games almost on par with ps3.. like need for speed most wanted.. open world.. visuals almost on par with ps3 version.. but less traffic/online players(although still the same core game)..


This entire comment makes no sense.

PSP and Vita has almost the exact same strategy.

PSP mimics the PS2

Vita mimics the PS3

How about going back and looking at software sold on the PSP.  For the first few years the thing sold really well and then people didnt care any more and it dropped.  Pirating was also an issue.

The Vita hasn't even had a good start because people already know what to expect from Sony in the hand held market.  People has lost faith in Sony and as you all will probably notice, console like games on the go doesn't work well.  Why?  Because you can get a better version on a home console that people already own.

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)


Nobody has said anything about the hardware of the Vita as it is really good.  Still a bad game is a bad game regardless of how good it looks.  The vita has no mass appeal because it has no franchise that can raise this thing off of the ground.  Sadly this is the path that sony is going in.  Out of all the franchises they own, they dont have 1 franchise that can sell a console a lone.  This is why in a few years when it has a number of exclusives that it may have appeal.  That or hope for a good third party franchise or the possibility of some new ip that can sell it.  Right now it will be relying on CoD so let's see how that goes.




       

S.T.A.G.E. on 14 November 2012
Turkish said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The next dev kit is supposedly going to be sent in Janurary and the final version should be up and running at summer 2013. I believe the PS4 will be ready next year and will be revealed at E3 after this! 

http://www.ign.com/videos/2012/11/01/news-ps4-developer-kits-version-2-surface


14 day old news.


Well I'm sorry, IGN just put it as a headliner yesterday. I did not know about this great news god. Please, tell me todays news about Project Orbis.



JoeTheBro on 14 November 2012
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)


Nobody has said anything about the hardware of the Vita as it is really good.  Still a bad game is a bad game regardless of how good it looks.  The vita has no mass appeal because it has no franchise that can raise this thing off of the ground.  Sadly this is the path that sony is going in.  Out of all the franchises they own, they dont have 1 franchise that can sell a console a lone.  This is why in a few years when it has a number of exclusives that it may have appeal.  That or hope for a good third party franchise or the possibility of some new ip that can sell it.  Right now it will be relying on CoD so let's see how that goes.

No shit sherlock. That's how all systems work. At launch the hardcore crowd buys a system and then down the road casuals pick it up as value is added.

JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


You don't get it.  They are both focused on console like games.  Is that a better way of saying it?  Go ahead and defend it but it was a bad strategy then and it's still a bad strategy now but even worst.  

Oh and the Sony All Stars, sorry to burst your bubble but I called this a long time ago and I still stand behind it.  The game is going to flop.  It may sell above 1 million but the reviews will be lack luster.  For the vita the thing will bomb both sale wise and score.

Once again the majority of the people could care less about the cross play feature as most dont even know about it.  And once again the console PS3 version will out do the Vita version. 

So the fact both the Vita and PSP deliver similar experiences to consoles is bad? No. When it works it works great as in the case of LBP Vita and Gravity Rush. These are "console like games."

As for PSASBR, are you really that ignorant? Sorry to burst your bubble but your opinion doesn't burst mine. Do you have this strange misconception that All Stars is a bad game and are you even qualified to be judging it in such an arrogant manor? Based off your last two sentences I'm predicting the answers to be "yes," "yes," and "no."



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Jaywood2010 on 14 November 2012
JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:
JoeTheBro said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


That's the part people don't seem to understand about Vita. The PSP was forced to recieve watered down PS3 ports due to its hardware. The Vita however is capable of running games as good as PS3 and even better. Its limitations are sloppy developers.

To expand on that: PSASBR even runs on Vita at 60 fps just like on PS3. From betas and demos it is obvious the Vita version is a 1 to 1 port for the end user. (textures are less detailed but that is only visible when blowing the vita screen up)


Nobody has said anything about the hardware of the Vita as it is really good.  Still a bad game is a bad game regardless of how good it looks.  The vita has no mass appeal because it has no franchise that can raise this thing off of the ground.  Sadly this is the path that sony is going in.  Out of all the franchises they own, they dont have 1 franchise that can sell a console a lone.  This is why in a few years when it has a number of exclusives that it may have appeal.  That or hope for a good third party franchise or the possibility of some new ip that can sell it.  Right now it will be relying on CoD so let's see how that goes.

No shit sherlock. That's how all systems work. At launch the hardcore crowd buys a system and then down the road casuals pick it up as value is added.

JayWood2010 said:
leo-j said:

PSP didn't mimic the ps2 though.. most of those ports weren't even close to being on par with anything on the PS2.. the only things that come close were GTA..

 

Vita.. is actually capable of running things on par with ps3.. with slightly downgraded visuals.. for example..

PS ALL STARS BATTLE ROYALE is the same exact game on the ps3.. same exact online interface.. and you can cross play between vita and ps3 players..

You never had that on the PSP..


You don't get it.  They are both focused on console like games.  Is that a better way of saying it?  Go ahead and defend it but it was a bad strategy then and it's still a bad strategy now but even worst.  

Oh and the Sony All Stars, sorry to burst your bubble but I called this a long time ago and I still stand behind it.  The game is going to flop.  It may sell above 1 million but the reviews will be lack luster.  For the vita the thing will bomb both sale wise and score.

Once again the majority of the people could care less about the cross play feature as most dont even know about it.  And once again the console PS3 version will out do the Vita version. 

So the fact both the Vita and PSP deliver similar experiences to consoles is bad? No. When it works it works great as in the case of LBP Vita and Gravity Rush. These are "console like games."

As for PSASBR, are you really that ignorant? Sorry to burst your bubble but your opinion doesn't burst mine. Do you have this strange misconception that All Stars is a bad game and are you even qualified to be judging it in such an arrogant manor? Based off your last two sentences I'm predicting the answers to be "yes," "yes," and "no."


To sony gaming is a business and how neither LBP or Gravity Rush is moving the Vita, you tell me how this is a good strategy.  You've given me no information.

Yes I've played Playstation All Stars and yes it was not good.  Quote me on this now, Sony All Stars will score between 75-82 metacritic.  Im leaning on the 76 side.  Unless it gets bundled I do not see it selling more than 1 million. 1.5 million at most without a bundle and I don't even see that.