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S.T.A.G.E. on 26 December 2012
Scisca said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Drop the Vita and focus on the PS4. Thats what they need to do.

Next year should be the last year Sony supports PS3. After that the console should just get 3rd party support, which surely will be good for a couple of years, but Sony should try to phase PS3 out after 2014 at the latest. After 2013 Sony should focus solely on PS4 and Vita. They shouldn't drop the Vita - what for? Just make it profitable and I'm sure that the story of PS3 and a surge in sales is possible for this handheld when they cut the price. Remember, the development costs for PS4 will be 2-3 time higher than the costs for a PS3 game, so many developers won't be able to make this jump easily. Cost of a Vita game is much smaller than the cost of a PS3 game, so it should be supported, since in 2-3 years the possibility of profiting on PS3 will be significantly smaller, than on a Vita, which will still be attractive as the "current gen" console.

PS3 could start competing with PS4 if both Sony and 3rd parties stay on this console instead of going full steam on PS4 and it would canibalise the PS4 sales. Vita is a handheld so it's not competing with a home console, that's why Sony has to convince 3rd parties to switch to Vita instead of staying with PS3. Supporting Vita is even better for Sony, since they would not only earn money from games, but people would have to buy new hardware, so this means additional revenue for Sony. Just think, one AAA PS4 game equals 5-6 AAA Vita games. Vita projects will be petty stuff in comparison to PS4 projects, and having simmilar price at retail will earn money. Vita just needs a couple good games and... good luck and good will. I hope it can make it.


PS3 isnt the issue, its added profit. The Vita is the larger issue, because it desperately needs to sell and get some notable IP's to move hardware. If it can't it is only a hinderance to Sonys future profit like it is to the PS3 currently.



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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 26 December 2012
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Devil_Survivor said:
Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Flanneryaug said:
DanneSandin said:
I'm not buying any of this... Sony's not that stupid that they'd make yet another high end super console AND launch last (2014) AND have poor support for it - no way they that stupid.

They already did it. The Vita is a high end super console, that launched last, and has poor support.


the PS3 was a high end super console, that launched last and HAD poor support. remember that? look at the support PS3 gets now. just give the vita time. i know 3DS fans are dying to bash vita but atleast give it this holiday and if things dont improve, you have sony's blessing to bash the vita all day long!

First, why do we need Sony's blessing to do anything? There's actually a pattern of Sony lanuching overpriced and overpowered tech going back to even before the PS3, and its not just limited to PS division. Don't act Sony fans don't bash the 3ds either.

Which Sony console was overpriced?? Can't think of any single one. They always sell consoles at a loss. You must have mistaken Sony for Nintendo.

Less see, the PS3 was at 600 dollars, the Vita was at 250 dollars, and much of the Sony tvs are overpriced. I think you have exposed yourself as a Nintendo hater with blinders on, your the first person to claim Nintendo overprice their consoles when they sell them below the other two lol.

they may have been over priced on your budget but for me both ps3 and vita launched at affordable prices for what you get. ps3 may have cost us 600 dollars but it cost sony way more to make so we were getting it cheap really. maybe you should get another job that pays more.

I guess most people didn't think it had the value you claim it did at the 600 plus price point that's why it sold badly at that price. I have a well paying thank you very much, and I probably make way more money than you lol. A lot of people arent as delusional as you are when comes to Sony their overpriced products. I love my PS3, but it wasn't worth 600 plus it was selling at lanuch, its not the pulbic fault because Sony cannot make a console without selling it at a loss. Sony used to the industry eader lin a lot of areas in tech, now they just throw products out there into the markert and make the sign of the cross and hope it sells. Its the whole reason for the giant finaincal hole they are in now, and if they release the PS4 at a very high price point then is the end of the PS brand, and maybe the entire company itself.

go cry somewhere else, no one cares how much you hate sony.



ironmanDX on 27 December 2012
ethomaz said:

ironmanDX said:

Either way, it's not going to happen. They want to release a cheaper console in comparison to the ps3 and pc's can't even do 4k now. It's simply not going to happen. If they release another $600 console ($1000 where i'm from!) it will be a disaster. No one has a 4k tv even to begin with! Some market they're trying to sell it too.

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PS. Mostly video cards in the market have full hardware acellaration for 4k resolutions but the HDMI used in the card (1.4a) limite the output to 1080p... that's not a videocard limitation.

That still doesn't answer who sony would market it too. Have they even released 4k tv's to the public? What's the point of adding cost for something people can't use.



ethomaz on 27 December 2012

ironmanDX said:

That still doesn't answer who sony would market it too. Have they even released 4k tv's to the public? What's the point of adding cost for something people can't use.

That's the marketing... Sony want to push 4k sales for public witht he new PS4... and there is no cost for add that because like I said any low GPU can decode and output video in 4k (the limitation was the HDMI version).

Here in Brazil Sony already launched TV with 4k plus 3D... so I'm sure the rest of the world already have these TVs too.



Scisca on 27 December 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Scisca said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Drop the Vita and focus on the PS4. Thats what they need to do.

Next year should be the last year Sony supports PS3. After that the console should just get 3rd party support, which surely will be good for a couple of years, but Sony should try to phase PS3 out after 2014 at the latest. After 2013 Sony should focus solely on PS4 and Vita. They shouldn't drop the Vita - what for? Just make it profitable and I'm sure that the story of PS3 and a surge in sales is possible for this handheld when they cut the price. Remember, the development costs for PS4 will be 2-3 time higher than the costs for a PS3 game, so many developers won't be able to make this jump easily. Cost of a Vita game is much smaller than the cost of a PS3 game, so it should be supported, since in 2-3 years the possibility of profiting on PS3 will be significantly smaller, than on a Vita, which will still be attractive as the "current gen" console.

PS3 could start competing with PS4 if both Sony and 3rd parties stay on this console instead of going full steam on PS4 and it would canibalise the PS4 sales. Vita is a handheld so it's not competing with a home console, that's why Sony has to convince 3rd parties to switch to Vita instead of staying with PS3. Supporting Vita is even better for Sony, since they would not only earn money from games, but people would have to buy new hardware, so this means additional revenue for Sony. Just think, one AAA PS4 game equals 5-6 AAA Vita games. Vita projects will be petty stuff in comparison to PS4 projects, and having simmilar price at retail will earn money. Vita just needs a couple good games and... good luck and good will. I hope it can make it.


PS3 isnt the issue, its added profit. The Vita is the larger issue, because it desperately needs to sell and get some notable IP's to move hardware. If it can't it is only a hinderance to Sonys future profit like it is to the PS3 currently.

PS3 can be an issue though. There is a reason why MS has made X360 prety much redundant at this point. Sony needs to cut 1st party support fast. Nintendo did it as well for the Wii a long time ago and it still earns cash. Sony instead has a jam-packed schedule for next year. We'll have to see if this turns out good for Sony and these games sell or they get mediocre sales or even bomb, which would be a tragedy, but is actually very possible. GoW and The Last of Us will do fine, but Games like Pupeteer should be PS4 launch titles. Declining sales of LBP show that people are no longer excited by such games and a new generation would spark curiosity among the gamers and they'd be more willing to try out such experiences. We have to remember that the same number of copies sold on PS3 and PS4 could be considered as bombing (on PS3) and selling quite well (on the PS4).

Both PS4 and Vita need new frachises, that's why I think it's stupid long-term to release so many games to a system that's going to be replaced very soon by a new console. I know they do it so that the financial blow of the PS4 release is softened a bit, but we'll see how this strategy works for Sony. Still, the perfect scenario would be that 2013 should belong to Vita, not PS3. 2014 should be PS4 and Vita, 2015 should be PS4 all the way and Vita should mainly get 3rd party support by that time. Supporting PS3 could really be stretching studios thin and harmful in the long run.



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KHlover on 27 December 2012
Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Flanneryaug said:
DanneSandin said:
I'm not buying any of this... Sony's not that stupid that they'd make yet another high end super console AND launch last (2014) AND have poor support for it - no way they that stupid.

They already did it. The Vita is a high end super console, that launched last, and has poor support.


the PS3 was a high end super console, that launched last and HAD poor support. remember that? look at the support PS3 gets now. just give the vita time. i know 3DS fans are dying to bash vita but atleast give it this holiday and if things dont improve, you have sony's blessing to bash the vita all day long!

First, why do we need Sony's blessing to do anything? There's actually a pattern of Sony lanuching overpriced and overpowered tech going back to even before the PS3, and its not just limited to PS division. Don't act Sony fans don't bash the 3ds either.

Which Sony console was overpriced?? Can't think of any single one. They always sell consoles at a loss. You must have mistaken Sony for Nintendo.

Less see, the PS3 was at 600 dollars, the Vita was at 250 dollars, and much of the Sony tvs are overpriced. I think you have exposed yourself as a Nintendo hater with blinders on, your the first person to claim Nintendo overprice their consoles when they sell them below the other two lol.

Hahaha. If anything, you have exposed yourself as a Sony hater and an alergic Nintendo fanboy. Also you have a funny definition of overpriced. These consoles weren't overpriced but underpriced. The PS3 has been very expensive, but it hasn't been overpriced. It was impossible at that time to deliver that quality cheaper. Also in my opinion Vita is worth the current price. Remember that Nintendo released the 3DS, which is inferior by a whole generation, for the same price! Nintendo sells hardware at a profit (Wii U being the only exception, though not for long since it's just a couple of bucks behind), which means the value is overpriced, just like with Apple products. Scoobes explains it nicely.

If Aston Martin started selling their new Zagato for $100k it would still be very expensive and most people wouldn't be able to afford it, but it wouldn't be overpriced! Good, cutting edge things are expensive, that's the world we live in.

From Sony's perspective you are right. They had to sell the PS3 under it's value to even reach a price of $599. But that is not the definition that counts for the customers. As a customer you had the choice between a $250 console, a $299/$399 console and  a $499/$599 console, so in the eyes of the AVERAGE consumer (not talking about dedicated gamers and tech geeks) the PS3 WAS overpriced.



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