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Jay520 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i hope they are working on all 3 consoles, but PS4 should be Sonys main foscus.


How did you find this thread?

It is kinda random how he bumped a threaf from October lol. maybe he searched for PS4 threads?



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Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Flanneryaug said:
DanneSandin said:
I'm not buying any of this... Sony's not that stupid that they'd make yet another high end super console AND launch last (2014) AND have poor support for it - no way they that stupid.

They already did it. The Vita is a high end super console, that launched last, and has poor support.


the PS3 was a high end super console, that launched last and HAD poor support. remember that? look at the support PS3 gets now. just give the vita time. i know 3DS fans are dying to bash vita but atleast give it this holiday and if things dont improve, you have sony's blessing to bash the vita all day long!

First, why do we need Sony's blessing to do anything? There's actually a pattern of Sony lanuching overpriced and overpowered tech going back to even before the PS3, and its not just limited to PS division. Don't act Sony fans don't bash the 3ds either.

Which Sony console was overpriced?? Can't think of any single one. They always sell consoles at a loss. You must have mistaken Sony for Nintendo.

Less see, the PS3 was at 600 dollars, the Vita was at 250 dollars, and much of the Sony tvs are overpriced. I think you have exposed yourself as a Nintendo hater with blinders on, your the first person to claim Nintendo overprice their consoles when they sell them below the other two lol.



 

Scisca said:
Scoobes said:
Riot Of The Blood said:
I don't even see a need for Sony to release a new console, same with Microsoft. The consoles that they have out right now are still around 300$. Can you imagine how much their next-gen console will cost? Anything above 300$ is going to collect dust in the US. These companies should wait until the tech is cheap enough to sell these new consoles at a practical price while still being an actual update to the previous consoles.

In business terms it makes a lot of sense. Sales in both software and hardware have been declining for the last few years. That's a major indicator the current consoles need some form of refresh. They tried to extend the life span of the gen with Kinect, Wii Motion+ and Move, but none have really done much to stem to drop in sales.

Considering how 3DS, Vita and Wii U numbers aren't really anything to brag about, I'm not sure that new consoles are an easy answer to this problem. 3DS is doing good now, but only because it's dirt cheap. Wii U on the other hand sells half of what X-box 360 or PS3 sell. It will be a huge risk and huge expense for Sony and MS to move to next gen. The current global economy should also convince them to hold on a bit longer.

I'l address your BS in point form:

1. Actually, the 3DS numbers are extremly good as its the best selling comsole almost every week and its the only one up year over year in sales. How is 169.00 plus tax dirt cheap? Maybe incomparsion to the Vita.

2.Here's why the PS3 and Xbox360 are out selling Wii U right now: it just lanuched and the suppply is limited and its the holidays!!! Once the new year starts the sales of the PS3 and Xbox will go back to where they were before and Wii U will out sell them.

3.They have to move to new systems becasue they tech is 8 and 7 years old and developers want to make next gen games and they need new hardware. Mircosoft doesn't need to worry about releasing new hardware because the company actually makes a profit, itsonly Sony has to worry if their new console doesn't bad in the markert.



 

Jay520 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i hope they are working on all 3 consoles, but PS4 should be Sonys main foscus.


How did you find this thread?

i just so happen to be searching to see if a thread i was about to make had already been posted and saw this one. setting the search for 90 days, and interesting thread equals bump since it hadn't been past 90 days.



Devil_Survivor said:
Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Flanneryaug said:
DanneSandin said:
I'm not buying any of this... Sony's not that stupid that they'd make yet another high end super console AND launch last (2014) AND have poor support for it - no way they that stupid.

They already did it. The Vita is a high end super console, that launched last, and has poor support.


the PS3 was a high end super console, that launched last and HAD poor support. remember that? look at the support PS3 gets now. just give the vita time. i know 3DS fans are dying to bash vita but atleast give it this holiday and if things dont improve, you have sony's blessing to bash the vita all day long!

First, why do we need Sony's blessing to do anything? There's actually a pattern of Sony lanuching overpriced and overpowered tech going back to even before the PS3, and its not just limited to PS division. Don't act Sony fans don't bash the 3ds either.

Which Sony console was overpriced?? Can't think of any single one. They always sell consoles at a loss. You must have mistaken Sony for Nintendo.

Less see, the PS3 was at 600 dollars, the Vita was at 250 dollars, and much of the Sony tvs are overpriced. I think you have exposed yourself as a Nintendo hater with blinders on, your the first person to claim Nintendo overprice their consoles when they sell them below the other two lol.

they may have been over priced on your budget but for me both ps3 and vita launched at affordable prices for what you get. ps3 may have cost us 600 dollars but it cost sony way more to make so we were getting it cheap really. maybe you should get another job that pays more.



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VGKing said:
Jay520 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i hope they are working on all 3 consoles, but PS4 should be Sonys main foscus.


How did you find this thread?

It is kinda random how he bumped a threaf from October lol. maybe he searched for PS4 threads?

naw i'm not next gen. yet buddy. i was contemplating making a thread. needless to say i didn't make the thread. i haven't had a thread get more then 10 post in almost a yr.

i ain't mak'n no moe threads!!!!!!!! 



Devil_Survivor said:
Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Flanneryaug said:
DanneSandin said:
I'm not buying any of this... Sony's not that stupid that they'd make yet another high end super console AND launch last (2014) AND have poor support for it - no way they that stupid.

They already did it. The Vita is a high end super console, that launched last, and has poor support.


the PS3 was a high end super console, that launched last and HAD poor support. remember that? look at the support PS3 gets now. just give the vita time. i know 3DS fans are dying to bash vita but atleast give it this holiday and if things dont improve, you have sony's blessing to bash the vita all day long!

First, why do we need Sony's blessing to do anything? There's actually a pattern of Sony lanuching overpriced and overpowered tech going back to even before the PS3, and its not just limited to PS division. Don't act Sony fans don't bash the 3ds either.

Which Sony console was overpriced?? Can't think of any single one. They always sell consoles at a loss. You must have mistaken Sony for Nintendo.

Less see, the PS3 was at 600 dollars, the Vita was at 250 dollars, and much of the Sony tvs are overpriced. I think you have exposed yourself as a Nintendo hater with blinders on, your the first person to claim Nintendo overprice their consoles when they sell them below the other two lol.

You're both coming at this from two different but equally valid angles. His POV is that whilst Sony price their hardware high, but both PS3 and Vita (actually, not sure about Vita, may just be cost price) were sold at a loss. From a profit margins POV, Sony underpriced their hardware (by a ridiculous $240 with PS3) to try and get a hold of marketshare. In pure hardware terms, you're getting a top machine for less money.

It didn't work for the reason you point out; the majority of consumers weren't (or aren't in the case of Vita) willing to shell out that much for a dedicated games machine. So in terms of the market and consumers, they were overpriced. In the case of Vita (and 3DS), neither Sony or Nintendo had realised how much the handheld market had changed from when DS and PSP were released. Nintendo have combat that with a reasonable price cut to a level where it's now doing very well.

Nintendo on the other hand have priced their consoles at a fairly consumer friendly level. However, when you look at the costs associated with their hardware, their profit margins are nearly always higher (they're making a loss on WiiU but supposedly will make that back after a single game purchase). A much less riskier business model, but it's also a fair argument to ask if you're getting value in the hardware.



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Devil_Survivor said:
Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Flanneryaug said:
DanneSandin said:
I'm not buying any of this... Sony's not that stupid that they'd make yet another high end super console AND launch last (2014) AND have poor support for it - no way they that stupid.

They already did it. The Vita is a high end super console, that launched last, and has poor support.


the PS3 was a high end super console, that launched last and HAD poor support. remember that? look at the support PS3 gets now. just give the vita time. i know 3DS fans are dying to bash vita but atleast give it this holiday and if things dont improve, you have sony's blessing to bash the vita all day long!

First, why do we need Sony's blessing to do anything? There's actually a pattern of Sony lanuching overpriced and overpowered tech going back to even before the PS3, and its not just limited to PS division. Don't act Sony fans don't bash the 3ds either.

Which Sony console was overpriced?? Can't think of any single one. They always sell consoles at a loss. You must have mistaken Sony for Nintendo.

Less see, the PS3 was at 600 dollars, the Vita was at 250 dollars, and much of the Sony tvs are overpriced. I think you have exposed yourself as a Nintendo hater with blinders on, your the first person to claim Nintendo overprice their consoles when they sell them below the other two lol.

they may have been over priced on your budget but for me both ps3 and vita launched at affordable prices for what you get. ps3 may have cost us 600 dollars but it cost sony way more to make so we were getting it cheap really. maybe you should get another job that pays more.

I guess most people didn't think it had the value you claim it did at the 600 plus price point that's why it sold badly at that price. I have a well paying thank you very much, and I probably make way more money than you lol. A lot of people arent as delusional as you are when comes to Sony their overpriced products. I love my PS3, but it wasn't worth 600 plus it was selling at lanuch, its not the pulbic fault because Sony cannot make a console without selling it at a loss. Sony used to the industry eader lin a lot of areas in tech, now they just throw products out there into the markert and make the sign of the cross and hope it sells. Its the whole reason for the giant finaincal hole they are in now, and if they release the PS4 at a very high price point then is the end of the PS brand, and maybe the entire company itself.



 

Sony is having a lot of financial troubles now. I think they should release their remaining PS3 games ASAP, release a couple exclusives on the Vita, and convince some third party publishers for support, and just release PS4 asap, start regaining any loss they are at developing it right now.

PS4 only needs 1 exclusive at launch to do well, and it doesn't even have to be good. Playstation has a huge fanbase and will likely sell out to loyal followers, just like WiiU did.

Then I say, software, software, software! Rake in the sales for 2014 and 2015!

P.S. I don't think Sony should make a PS4 a powerhouse like PS3 was. I think this was a bad move when they released the Vita and PS3, and sales could have been so much higher with just a lower price tag and lower graphics. You don't have the money to make a powerhouse right now, so don't risk bankruptcy.



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Devil_Survivor said:
Scisca said:
Devil_Survivor said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Flanneryaug said:
DanneSandin said:
I'm not buying any of this... Sony's not that stupid that they'd make yet another high end super console AND launch last (2014) AND have poor support for it - no way they that stupid.

They already did it. The Vita is a high end super console, that launched last, and has poor support.


the PS3 was a high end super console, that launched last and HAD poor support. remember that? look at the support PS3 gets now. just give the vita time. i know 3DS fans are dying to bash vita but atleast give it this holiday and if things dont improve, you have sony's blessing to bash the vita all day long!

First, why do we need Sony's blessing to do anything? There's actually a pattern of Sony lanuching overpriced and overpowered tech going back to even before the PS3, and its not just limited to PS division. Don't act Sony fans don't bash the 3ds either.

Which Sony console was overpriced?? Can't think of any single one. They always sell consoles at a loss. You must have mistaken Sony for Nintendo.

Less see, the PS3 was at 600 dollars, the Vita was at 250 dollars, and much of the Sony tvs are overpriced. I think you have exposed yourself as a Nintendo hater with blinders on, your the first person to claim Nintendo overprice their consoles when they sell them below the other two lol.

Hahaha. If anything, you have exposed yourself as a Sony hater and an alergic Nintendo fanboy. Also you have a funny definition of overpriced. These consoles weren't overpriced but underpriced. The PS3 has been very expensive, but it hasn't been overpriced. It was impossible at that time to deliver that quality cheaper. Also in my opinion Vita is worth the current price. Remember that Nintendo released the 3DS, which is inferior by a whole generation, for the same price! Nintendo sells hardware at a profit (Wii U being the only exception, though not for long since it's just a couple of bucks behind), which means the value is overpriced, just like with Apple products. Scoobes explains it nicely.

If Aston Martin started selling their new Zagato for $100k it would still be very expensive and most people wouldn't be able to afford it, but it wouldn't be overpriced! Good, cutting edge things are expensive, that's the world we live in.



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