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landguy1 said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
superchunk said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 


see again you are seeing something that's not there. they never said the device is not there or in R&D stage or anything, they just said they have no immediate plans. which is pretty much true. I know and agree that planning for a new HW will start ways off but they would have changed a lot of things from the start until reveal. Why deny flat out about the next iteration of one of their products at all? Everyone, ms ninty sony all would start out on their next gen device just as the current one is released. That is not a shocker by any means. Ign and many sources can throw around as many 'rumors' as they want but as we saw most of them were flat out wrong. Waiting to say anything on the matter until something is close to being finalized is the smart and right thing to do. That way no false info and no misleading statements.

and I didn't even want to touch the ps4 topic but I will say this much. This not similar at all, currently we don't even have a decent rumor about the device. Not about the specs, capabilities, launch titles etc. Absolutely nothing. They are not really denying the existence at the moment either now are they? They are saying no current plans to unveil it which could be very well true. Heck they might be still debating if unveiling the device is a good thing at E3 this year. But at the moment I honestly don't see a reason to accuse them of lying.

I don't want to continue this as you're arguing semantics. (lying vs denial) However, its the same overall. They deny anything about a new product until they officially release it. The denials become vague as it comes closer. First its flat out denying its even being created, later its simply no comment or similar.

Vita's rumors in late 2010 were pretty much spot on with what was shown in January 2011. A touch screen device that is very powerful. Of course details as in processors and gpu were off here and there, many mockups were pretty much the same and only part I can think of that was completely not rumored until very close was the back touch panel. However, all details were known before NGP was officially released. As time got closer, of course they become more numerous and far more accurate.

Right now PS4 is same as early 2009 Vita stuff. Really rare and vague. Sony now isn't denying something exists, just that its not coming yet and by this thread, not at this coming E3.

I think it very well will show up at E3 as it gets closer and they realize MS is going to show something. But MS is doing well at hiding theirs and that is to their benefit as it could take Sony (and Nintendo) by surprise.

My original point is that just because Sony says this, doesn't mean it won't happen. It will depend on how MS handles their next-gen device and if Sony feels they must show something to stay competitive.


ugh I';m not even sure how you can call 'denial' and 'lying' as semantics lol they are nothing like each other and no you have yet to show me where  Sonyflat out denied that they are 'creating' the next gen handheld. You are just running around the obvious at this point

and no, the rumors were most of the time wrong. I'm not even gonna argue about this but trust me, I have followed the device much much closer than you have for certain, especially your comments about thse mockups being the same etc shows that. We only got some solid info on the device just 7 days before the release by a Japanese source. this I gurantee.

I never wanted to argue with your original point as I made clear in my very first response to you. Just wanted some clarification on the statement about the psv you made which turned out to be not true.

let's just leave it at that.


Wow, was there ever a waste of space on the web than this argument?


yes, your useless comment would fit that bill



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I hope not.... I dont want to buy another PS console just to play a new God of War (if, there will be one...)



superchunk said:
lol

Like he's going to come out in January and say "oh sure in June, we'll announce something..."

This proves nothing.

your sig says by 2013. always though by meant before, not during so if the nextbox and the ps4 come out in 2013 would that not make you wrong? 

I do think 2013 is the most likely date, but i dont expect announcements form MS or sony until after Christmas 2012, unless sales just take in the first half the year  Ill also say i support longer gens as the cost for game development goes down during the gen (normally) and user base goes up allowing for more sales, cutting gens short like the prior gen is bad for all involved.

(i understand why MS and N launched so soon but have felt that sony could have done better if it waited another year or two and launched at a lower price point with more games and kept the hype of the ps2, i fell the ps2 hurt the xbox more than the ps3 did)

 

 



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If they were announcing something they would probably go with the Nintendo, "We do not comment on rumors or speculation." This sounds more like a flat out denial, and hoping for otherwise would probably be cause for a large letdown later on.



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goddog said:
superchunk said:
lol

Like he's going to come out in January and say "oh sure in June, we'll announce something..."

This proves nothing.

your sig says by 2013. always though by meant before, not during so if the nextbox and the ps4 come out in 2013 would that not make you wrong? 

I do think 2013 is the most likely date, but i dont expect announcements form MS or sony until after Christmas 2012, unless sales just take in the first half the year  Ill also say i support longer gens as the cost for game development goes down during the gen (normally) and user base goes up allowing for more sales, cutting gens short like the prior gen is bad for all involved.

(i understand why MS and N launched so soon but have felt that sony could have done better if it waited another year or two and launched at a lower price point with more games and kept the hype of the ps2, i fell the ps2 hurt the xbox more than the ps3 did)

 

 


No, I meant by 2013 as in "at the very latest by december 31, 2013". I think most people understand my sig equals that literal definition.

Also, I'd argue that Sony has to launch no later than a year after the first player. Only SNES was able to come back after such a large head start by its competition and that's more due to the combination of a stranglehold Nintendo had on 3rd parties at the time and Super Mario World.



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superchunk said:
goddog said:
superchunk said:
lol

Like he's going to come out in January and say "oh sure in June, we'll announce something..."

This proves nothing.

your sig says by 2013. always though by meant before, not during so if the nextbox and the ps4 come out in 2013 would that not make you wrong?

I do think 2013 is the most likely date, but i dont expect announcements form MS or sony until after Christmas 2012, unless sales just take in the first half the year  Ill also say i support longer gens as the cost for game development goes down during the gen (normally) and user base goes up allowing for more sales, cutting gens short like the prior gen is bad for all involved.

(i understand why MS and N launched so soon but have felt that sony could have done better if it waited another year or two and launched at a lower price point with more games and kept the hype of the ps2, i fell the ps2 hurt the xbox more than the ps3 did)

 

 


No, I meant by 2013 as in "at the very latest by december 31, 2013". I think most people understand my sig equals that literal definition.

Also, I'd argue that Sony has to launch no later than a year after the first player. Only SNES was able to come back after such a large head start by its competition and that's more due to the combination of a stranglehold Nintendo had on 3rd parties at the time and Super Mario World.

Ive always felt if the PS3 launched out of band by two years it could have defined its own gen, and with minor hard ware tweaks could have claimed it was the only real next gen console, and launched at a break even point in hardware costs. I think it would be harder for them to carry that out this time due to damage to the brand this last gen, so i do agree that launching within a year this time in needed and i do not feel the ps3 can compete with the nextbox where i feel the ps2 and the thought of how good a ps3 would be could hold 360 sales down. MS launched the 360 when they did because they had to, to have a chance at stopping the money hemorrhage and to make a dent, sony was still making money and could have waited with the ps3

*hmm for that i thought it would have to say by the end of 2013, but then im an odd duck



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goddog said:

*hmm for that i thought it would have to say by the end of 2013, but then im an odd duck


Well, you may have just been the first one to say something while others thought the same. So, I clarified it. :)



superchunk said:
 

They didn't?

My point: Sony will blatantly lie about it until the day they release it.

My links: Sony actively and blatantly lied about NGP/Vita's existence until the day they released it.

I don't see how my point wasn't made. Both deny a PSP2 and the last one was a mere six months out of official release. I also don't see why you're arguing the point. What company would admit they have a replacement product coming before they were completely ready to advertise and demo it properly?

Its not a bad thing Sony lies like this, its just good business.

It depends, if lowering your credibility have a worst effect then not commenting on the rumor, this isnt good business by any mean. Im not saying it necessarily does, but its worth some thinking. Is this really a rumor that will push non PS3 owner to not purchase a PS3? Does people outside the hardcore video game world even know about this rumor?



We'll see. Remember, Sony is the king of spin and love to lie. If something is going to be shown at the E3, they aren't going to tell the public, that's for sure. I still don't expect a new XBox or Playstation until 2013. The Wii U will probably be out in Oct. in Japan and Dec for U.S. and Europe.



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