i'm not defendig them i just hate people like you talking shit without any proof just because they wish to be right. i have no problem if they fail in producing hardware but you have to prove it and not just "i say zune and original xbox had higher failure rate than the average products in these segments, i can't prove it but it is so"

this is just nonsense

Of course it's nonsense that's what happens when you paraphrase someone trying to make it into nonsense. This is a freaking forum court level proof just isn't going to happen and you'd dimiss anything else anyways like everyone did with the 360 failrate, so no I'm not going to spend forever digging it up, if your so sure they aren't and believe so much in proof then prove they aren't don't just stand there saying prove it to every statement.  

 wtf is going on with your logic? we all know that the 360 was failing hard the first years i had to buy a new one after 2.5 years as well but you said the same about zune and the first xbox compared to the average failure rate. why the fuck should anyone else prove that this isn't the case? the world works exactly vice versa my friend if you are like this in real life then good night. you talk about the failure rate then you have to prove it.

man i don't even say zune was good or whatever i did never have this thing and did never care about it but since you seem to fail to find sources saying zune had higher failure rate than other products on average with the same functions just means that you just said it because you wish to be right without any clue about the failure rate. why should someone wish to be right with something like that? maybe because you hate microsoft or maybe because you love sony or maybe because you wish to throw something in a forum just because you are you and you like nonsense.

who knows better than you why you said it right? but instead of saying "yes i'm a sony fanboy" or whatever you will still say "you all fail to see how 360 failed" which everyone knows how bad this console was but which has nothing to do with your statement about zune and original xbox.

So you are a hypocritic and just say prove it to every statement then. 

when i don't know if it's just a lie and i think someone is saying something just because he tries to talk shit i ask for a proof and a forum doesn't change that. most things are logical or i know them so i don't ask but if someone is saying something like you i ask for a proof and this wouldn't be hard to find with the internet. and if it would be true the whole problem would have been solved after my first post to you but it seems that you have no proof so you just said it to talk shit about a company.

why do you say things which are maybe not true or which you have no clue about? i mean, why should someone do that?

It's really not that hard to dig up old articles about the 360's failure rate.

http://consumerist.com/2009/08/xbox-360-failure-rate-is-542-percent-game-informer-finds.html

We are talking about xbox original and zune. 

yeah that's right like i said everyone knows that the 360 failed hard the first years but i don't like to open this thread 100 times more so let's stop this lol

i'm out^^

Unfortunately, a survey sent out to the readers of a magazine doesn't qualify for credible facts.  Surveys and polls are known for being incredibly inaccurate due to the fact that people lie.  I would even hedge a guess that GameInformer published the results of their survey hoping Microsoft would come back and refute those findings.  

The closest credible understanding of the failure rate came from a repair facility (I think in Germany), which suggested the failure rate was about 33%.  After the Jasper-based Xbox 360 came out (that's the one before the Xbox 360 S), that dropped to something below 15%.  At the time, that was the last public information they provided about repair rates on the Xbox 360.

Those are still subjective numbers as they relate to one repair service in one part of the world.  Yet, they are actual, factual, numbers. 

I hope you know OP, that 3G is fucking slow as hell. Just thought you ought to know.