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menx64 on 15 October 2011
radishhead said:

As well as Nintendo have done during this generation in terms of sales, it's clear that their strategy isn't one that is going to last forever. Some of the new people that Nintendo has introduced to gaming will move onto tablets and smartphones, whereas others will enjoy gaming so much that they'll want to progress onto more challenging games. 

The future success of Nintendo greatly lies in them being able to secure a new fanbase from the younger audience (10-13) in order to secure a purchase from them in the coming generations. Some of the fans that they gained from the NES/SNES era are starting to turn away from Nintendo consoles in favour of the competition (as is expected), but this would normally be countered by the gain of a new fanbase from the younger market.

It's possible that the increased popularity of "hardcore" games such as Call of Duty (partly due to 3rd party propaganda, and from the growth of Youtube channels such as Machinima) have taken this market instead. In the past it was always about Mario or Zelda, but times are changing - there is a strong anti-Nintendo mentality among many younger gamers that there simply wasn't in the past. Are the popular Nintendo franchises finally going to step aside to make room for a new round of mega-franchises?

 

TL;DR: "Hardcore" 3rd party games are taking the market that Nintendo used to secure in the past. This could have a devastating impact on their hardware sales in the future.

 1st bolded: Are you talking about brian age or the usual nintendo franchises (mario, metroid, zelda, kirby, DK)?...

2nd: Is there any bigger franchise than mario or pokemon?... the only mega franchises I know are mario, pokemon, GTA, and COD (And for GTA & COD you would need to combine ps3/360 & pc)...

Who is going to buy nintendo games? nintendo fans and anybody who who enjoys video games.  



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Albion on 15 October 2011

Nintendo don't need to be on top.
They will still be fine.



dark_gh0st_b0y on 15 October 2011
radishhead said:

As well as Nintendo have done during this generation in terms of sales, it's clear that their strategy isn't one that is going to last forever. Some of the new people that Nintendo has introduced to gaming will move onto tablets and smartphones, whereas others will enjoy gaming so much that they'll want to progress onto more challenging games. 

The future success of Nintendo greatly lies in them being able to secure a new fanbase from the younger audience (10-13) in order to secure a purchase from them in the coming generations. Some of the fans that they gained from the NES/SNES era are starting to turn away from Nintendo consoles in favour of the competition (as is expected), but this would normally be countered by the gain of a new fanbase from the younger market.

It's possible that the increased popularity of "hardcore" games such as Call of Duty (partly due to 3rd party propaganda, and from the growth of Youtube channels such as Machinima) have taken this market instead. In the past it was always about Mario or Zelda, but times are changing - there is a strong anti-Nintendo mentality among many younger gamers that there simply wasn't in the past. Are the popular Nintendo franchises finally going to step aside to make room for a new round of mega-franchises?

 

TL;DR: "Hardcore" 3rd party games are taking the market that Nintendo used to secure in the past. This could have a devastating impact on their hardware sales in the future.

I won't comment on the fact that this is the 2nd ''NIntendo is doomed'' thread you make in 2 days  : P

It's true that ishit mini games got popular, and it's mostly Nintendo's casual audience playing them, but they are still mini-games, they can't replace Mario's awesome games and characters and multiplayer, so they can't actually kill Nintendo

for the core gamers, Nintendo realised that lower than awesome graphics cause a core audience and developers to lose interest, that's why 3DS is based on ''vision'' and WiiU is expected to have great graphics and more 3rd party/core gamer support

most old Nintendo fans are always here, proved with the GC and this gen with Wii

for this gen Mario Kart is the best selling racing game, SSBB the best selling fighter, Wii has best selling sports, Zelda has both new and old audience, Pokemon is healthy, the only popular franchise that is used to higher sales and is getting lower is Metroid, which cannot compete to the other shooters, due to lack of online and HD graphics

Nintendo has so many 10m selling franchises, system sellers, that it's almost impossible for Mario, Pokemon, Smash and so on not to increase 3DS sales, 30m selling Mario, 10m selling Animal Crossing, there are so many....

3DS already has so much 3rd party support



don't mind my username, that was more than 10 years ago, I'm a different person now, amazing how people change ^_^

miz1q2w3e on 15 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
miz1q2w3e said:
Thought Rol when I saw the thread title (certainly would've been funnier -_-)

Already done this one, but the crowd wasn't exactly pleased.

Nice try but not gonna bump it ;)

Although reading it now it feels kinda weird, Wii is continuously in third place behind PS360 (third paragraph)



miz1q2w3e on 15 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
miz1q2w3e said:

Nice try but not gonna bump it ;)

Although reading it now it feels kinda weird, Wii is continuously in third place behind PS360 (third paragraph)

Not weird at all. The 360 and PS3 aren't ahead of the Wii due to their motion controls.

More like eerie

And @ the second sentence, it certainly didn't help... Maybe it was the lack of anything big (more like anything period) all year + fully shifting focus to 3DS (leaving literally nothing for Wii)

On the bright side 3DS is in first place, but numbers aren't that amazing (soon to change with holiday titles)

What was this thread about again?



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DélioPT on 15 October 2011

I think that Wii U will still be ahead of the competition next generation, mostly because it seems to be combining the best of classic gaming and the "fresh" tablet gaming. Not to mention it still adds a third option with the Wiimote, which, in the beggining of Wii U`s life might be of some importance to bring in gamers from Wii.

About the anti-Nintendo feeling, that exists since Snes vs Genesis/Megadrive days. Might have gotten worse in certain periods but it`s no biggie.
Nintendo might have lost gamers to the tablet/Smartphone market, but one could also say that gamers that started in that market moved over to Wii or even other consoles. More, given that Wii U controller resembles a tablet, it wouldn`t be surprising if in the future, people who only played with tablets wanted something more and ended up with a Wii U controller on their hands.



miz1q2w3e on 15 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
miz1q2w3e said:

Nice try but not gonna bump it ;)

Although reading it now it feels kinda weird, Wii is continuously in third place behind PS360 (third paragraph)

Not weird at all. The 360 and PS3 aren't ahead of the Wii due to their motion controls.

And btw, you talked about PS360 + motion controls vs Wii in your thread, are you saying that the post was completely sarcastic and that you don't really believe it? (seriously, I can't even tell anymore -_- *ouchmypoorbrain*)



Pineapple on 15 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
You are young. It works more like this:

Children grow up with Nintendo, enter puberty, stop playing Nintendo because it's deemed as uncool and may return to Nintendo after puberty. Despite parting with Nintendo, they still have fond memories and probably want to have their children experience the same magical moments.

Sega took parts of Nintendo's fanbase in the early '90s and Sony continued to do the same to this very day. Additionally, Microsoft is also doing the same. You see, nothing has changed for Nintendo and it never will, because young people will always go through the same phases.

The only thing that can change is the games Nintendo puts out. This is what will make or break Nintendo in the future. What we could learn in the last five generations is that Nintendo is undefeated everytime they placed their bets on Super Mario Bros. and games with a similar philosophy. We could also learn that Nintendo is getting into trouble everytime they try to go too far into a different direction.


See, this is the kind of post you should make more often. That one there is just brilliant.



miz1q2w3e on 15 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
miz1q2w3e said:

And btw, you talked about PS360 + motion controls vs Wii in your thread, are you saying that the post was completely sarcastic and that you don't really believe it? (seriously, I can't even tell anymore -_- *ouchmypoorbrain*)

The original post of that thread just put several common fallacies in one post, so yes, it's pretty much completely sarcastic. In order to believe that PS3 and 360 motion controls would harm the Wii, you would need to believe that motion controls were the reason for the Wii's success. A lot of people apparently do, but they are wrong. 

Any piece of video game hardware is useless without software. Software is the more important part of the equation, because it gives the hardware a purpose, a reason to exist. Move fell flat, because Sony and third parties failed to give a compelling answer to why people should buy that motion controller. Kinect was pushed by a huge marketing campaign that led to record sales initially, but since then not much has happened. The Wii was sold out for more than two years in America, Move and Kinect didn't even come close. They lacked the software to do it. What's actually moving PS3 and 360 hardware are the usual suspects, so neither Move or Kinect were even necessary for Sony and Microsoft to pass the Wii in weekly sales after Nintendo decided to give up.

Well that clears things up, and it makes sense

@underlined, I still can't believe they let something like this happen (the past year's Wii lineup), I got tired of having no games to play on console and blew all my 3DS money on a PS3 (For me it's console gaming first, handheld second) - Now I can't get a 3DS till the holidays, but at least it'll have a bunch of great games by then >_>



MARCUSDJACKSON on 15 October 2011

i'm with Rol on this one.

its like this. Mario has that appeal that will draw kids in . everything Nintendo is perfectly centered to tailer to kids so this is how they grow up. every character has that happy i'm a kid come play with me look. that hey i'm a hero and anything is possible attitude so it works for them and seemingly noone else. Nintendo the land of makeblieve.

the problem is that games like COD have that awe and excitment and did you just see how that helicopter just blew up in front of me in suround sound on my moms HD 3d TV? man that was epic!

and after seeing that. thats wht they want. no more kidy looking games. i want epic, blow em up shoot'm in the head with blood everywhere cuase thats awesume, thats a movie, and its right in my hands to control!

i make the dicions cuase i have the controler and i'm the main character and i matter. and then they get online get there asses kicked and go back crying i want a hero and thats how they end up back with Nintendo until they really grow up, and then there ready to kill!



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