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ismael said:
ismael said:
i have just seen the news, and it reminded me this post, cause yesterday there were a fight between two groups, and 3 person were injured by knifes, what would have happened if they had had guns?

i will be pleasant if someone can answer this question.

BTW it is true that guns don't shoot by themself, people are who shoot other people, but without guns, you can't shoot.


 1)Serious injuries, possibly one (or more) fatalities. But it is an unknown because of a lack of information on the situation and that there weren't firearms present

or

2)no injuries due to a dissolved situation due to the possibililty of deadly force, i.e. everyone backs down because no one wants to die. Again an unknown because no firearms were present

3)any variation you want to come up with because its a hypothetical question 



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Heroin is an illegal drug. Guns aren't an illegal drug.
I stand firm, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

And I guess I'd say the same, drugs don't kill people, people kill people by taking the drugs.
It's not the drugs fault, or the knifes fault, or the cars fault, or the guns fault, or the ropes fault...it's the fault of the person in control of it...Responsibility & Consequences.

Lol, the only thing my gun kills is Bambi, I eat her every Fall. Yum!



Well, I now only have access to a PS3 & 360...Plan on buying a wii soon (lol, if I can ever find one available!) but will probably wait until some of the major RPG's come out like Dragon Quest & Tales, etc.

Anyhow, I'm so far behind in games to play that I'm not in a huge hurry (lol, haven't even gotten a chance to finish God of War II yet!) 

super_etecoon said:
Kasz216 said:
super_etecoon said:
Sorrow880 said:
Entroper said:
Sorrow880 said:

Not only is it already explained about the different cultures, but also, does it really matter? Dead is dead...if someone wants to kill themselves or someone else, they'll do it...It doesn't matter if they have a gun, knife, poison, strangle, baseball bat, car, or jump, or hang...dead=dead.


Not necessarily, and this has also already been explained.


 

I saw the explanation, I just don't agree with it....Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

What do you think of heroin?


Not who your talking to but I think that's people killing themselves or at the vey least making their lives a lot worse. I know i've seen it happen.


I just think it is interesting that the same people who think guns should be legal also think that drugs should be illegal. Sounds kind of hypocritical, doesn't it?


I think drugs should be legal. It's a personal choice. I mean i've seen my own friends destroy their lives with it and didn't physically stop them or report them for their own good.

Heroin I think should be legal with regulations in places like heroin bars with lighter drugs being avaiable legally in specialty stores that pay a high tax on them... possibly require some sort of license. Considering the markup on illegal drugs anyway it'd probably still come out cheaper then the drugs on the street.

Not to mention we'd save a lot on the war on drugs, replacing it with a commission to just moniter legal drug sales and would be getting money from said illegal purchases.

I don't believe in protecting people from themselves, so much as tax them to give them insentive to not kill themselves.



super_etecoon said:
OnlyIsrael said:
super_etecoon said:
 

I just think it is interesting that the same people who think guns should be legal also think that drugs should be illegal. Sounds kind of hypocritical, doesn't it?


How is gun ownership and legalizing mind/chemical/physiologicaly altering substances even realted, let alone hypocritical?

The relationship is freedom. Why should the government determine what I put in my body, let alone my hand.....if it doesn't hurt anyone.

 

I agree you have a point here. This boils down to "what is the role of government in a individuals life?" There are as many answers to that as there are people in the world. And honestly, I don't know.

I personally believe that U.S drug laws are not doing a very good job. Most studies I have read agree that treatment vs. manditory minimun sentences are a better solution to the drug problem in the U.S.

However this is really off topic so if you want to start a thread I would love to explore this idea more.

 



Sorrow880 said:
Heroin is an illegal drug, a gun is not an illegal drug.
I stand firm, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

And I guess I'd say the same, drugs don't kill people, people kill people by being dumbasses and taking the drugs.
It's not the drugs fault, or the knifes fault, or the cars fault, or the guns fault, or the ropes fault...it's the fault of the person in control of it...Responsibility & Consequences.

Lol, the only thing my guns kill are bambi, I eat her every Fall. Yum!

 Are you sure guns aren't drugs?  How have you come to this crazy conclusion?



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OnlyIsrael said:
ismael said:
ismael said:
i have just seen the news, and it reminded me this post, cause yesterday there were a fight between two groups, and 3 person were injured by knifes, what would have happened if they had had guns?

i will be pleasant if someone can answer this question.

BTW it is true that guns don't shoot by themself, people are who shoot other people, but without guns, you can't shoot.


1)Serious injuries, possibly one (or more) fatalities. But it is an unknown because of a lack of information on the situation and that there weren't firearms present

or

2)no injuries due to a dissolved situation due to the possibililty of deadly force, i.e. everyone backs down because no one wants to die. Again an unknown because no firearms were present

3)any variation you want to come up with because its a hypothetical question


if they stabed each other it wasnt because they wanted to make each other a tattoo, it was because they wanted to kill each other, the problem is that with a gun, you wouldn't have enough time to make a friend stop shooting someone, with i knife-fight you would..

 

I think if they had had guns, not only 3 people, but six at least would be dead today.



ismael said:
OnlyIsrael said:
ismael said:
ismael said:
i have just seen the news, and it reminded me this post, cause yesterday there were a fight between two groups, and 3 person were injured by knifes, what would have happened if they had had guns?

i will be pleasant if someone can answer this question.

BTW it is true that guns don't shoot by themself, people are who shoot other people, but without guns, you can't shoot.


1)Serious injuries, possibly one (or more) fatalities. But it is an unknown because of a lack of information on the situation and that there weren't firearms present

or

2)no injuries due to a dissolved situation due to the possibililty of deadly force, i.e. everyone backs down because no one wants to die. Again an unknown because no firearms were present

3)any variation you want to come up with because its a hypothetical question


if they stabed each other it wasnt because they wanted to make each other a tattoo, it was because they wanted to kill each other, the problem is that with a gun, you wouldn't have enough time to make a friend stop shooting someone, with i knife-fight you would..

 

I think if they had had guns, not only 3 people, but six at least would be dead today.


and others think that people would be more level headed knowing that if they attempt to kill someone they themselves would be killed.

If they weren't level headed enough to know this... maybe they deserve what they get?  Or atleast the world is better off without them.



super_etecoon said:
Sorrow880 said:
Heroin is an illegal drug, a gun is not an illegal drug.
I stand firm, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

And I guess I'd say the same, drugs don't kill people, people kill people by being dumbasses and taking the drugs.
It's not the drugs fault, or the knifes fault, or the cars fault, or the guns fault, or the ropes fault...it's the fault of the person in control of it...Responsibility & Consequences.

Lol, the only thing my guns kill are bambi, I eat her every Fall. Yum!

Are you sure guns aren't drugs? How have you come to this crazy conclusion?


As I've said, my problem isn't with guns, it's with people that abuse guns.

My problem isn't with drugs, it's with people that abuse drugs.

And that brings up the question of direction: Do we ban guns/drugs, control guns/drugs, monitor guns/drugs, allow guns/drugs?

I lean towards the latter two...people should have their freedom but be willing to suffer the consequences of hurting others.

I see too many damn Americans that don't want to accept responsibility for their own actions. They'd rather point a finger and say, my daddy beat me or my mommy left me, etc. We each make our own decisions and laws to a degree, but we must be prepared to suffer the consequences of our actions if they tread on somebody else. We reap what we sow.

Lol, I suppose a gun could be a drug to some, but not to me. I don't sniff it, snort it, drink it, inject it, smoke it,,,,I'm not addicted to it, I don't harm my body with it, I don't hurt those around me with it, it's not illegal for me to have it...it actually only comes out a few times a year.

But I can see your point that a gun could be like a "drug" to others.

Lol, damn, I feel like I'm taking Philosophy in college again!   



Well, I now only have access to a PS3 & 360...Plan on buying a wii soon (lol, if I can ever find one available!) but will probably wait until some of the major RPG's come out like Dragon Quest & Tales, etc.

Anyhow, I'm so far behind in games to play that I'm not in a huge hurry (lol, haven't even gotten a chance to finish God of War II yet!) 

Kasz216 said:
ismael said:
 

if they stabed each other it wasnt because they wanted to make each other a tattoo, it was because they wanted to kill each other, the problem is that with a gun, you wouldn't have enough time to make a friend stop shooting someone, with i knife-fight you would..

 

I think if they had had guns, not only 3 people, but six at least would be dead today.


and others think that people would be more level headed knowing that if they attempt to kill someone they themselves would be killed.

If they weren't level headed enough to know this... maybe they deserve what they get? Or atleast the world is better off without them.

Like I said, this is a hypothetical situation so anyone can say "this is what I think" and it is just as valid as any other persons opinion because thats not what actually happened so its basically a pointless discussion, hense no one responding until you asked.

 



How many people do any of you gun owners know, or have heard about in the news, that have successfully stopped some big baddie in some Max Payne slow motion gun fight where they come out victorious, and they guy who was trying to steal their TV was left with 14 bullets in his body ? thats right, none.

I cant believe any of the kids on here actually do believe that is how it works in the real world.

I have to admit, the US is too far gone, and has let this deep seeded problem go on for far too long for anyone to do anything about it.

In Australia, this guy in Port Arthur Tasmania opened up on a restraunt like 15 years ago or something, when we still had slightly relaxed gun laws. The government came down on the issue hard, and banned firearms for personal use, and offered a monetary rebate for all current firearms to be handed in and destroyed.

Now we have next to no gun murders, and certainly no mass murders.

You know those kids that open up in shopping centers and schools ?
that so wouldn't happen if they were flailing some piss-ant knife up in the air, now would it ?
Do you think those people that died needlessly whilst they were studying for their 2nd semester exams, or shopping for an anniversary present for their loved ones, think that the gun laws are A-OK ?

I remember reading there was a stat that a gun in a household was much more likely to harm or kill a family member or loved one, than an intruder.

and the list goes on.

So to answer the first question. Yes, in America it IS normal. doesn't mean it isn't the most f**king stupid thing ever. Just like lots of things that are to do with America Wars, General Population, Current Political Figures.

But oh well, the world keeps on spinning.