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Probably has been shared before. It's an old video but I lost interest after the most recent result.



Why isn't the MSM digging up old videos of Biden clearly coming out against gay marriage? Clearly inappropriately touching women and girls just because he's in a position of power and them standing uncomfortably for minutes unable to shake him off because he's freaking Joe Biden? I can only imagine what kind of reporting we would have on Trump of those videos were his.



Moren said:

I'm just wondering - what do you make of Biden's advantage with women across the board?

Also, had not Sanders run, do you think Warren would have been able to beat Biden?

Well that was another topic I was hoping to address at some point here anyway actually, so I guess now is as good a time as any.

It's like what I was saying in my last post on this thread: there are some problems that are shared by the global left broadly, not just Bernie's specific campaign, and this is one of them. The progressive left, as in campaigns and organizations positioned to the left of the neoliberals, is and has always been majority-male pretty much across the board. That's true here in the U.S., in the UK, in Canada, and really everywhere I can think of. What's more, the further out to the left one goes on the ideological spectrum, the more pronounced the gap becomes. Look at the sex composition of an Antifa line, for example, or of any of the communist parties and you'll find the membership to be more lopsidedly male than YouTube. Environmentalists are like the sole exception, but that's because their core of support is suburban, not working class. Working class women are like the most ignored demographic on Earth.

Anyway, why is this so, you as? Why is there this problem? Well, at lot of the left, especially the farther out you go toward like properly revolutionary movements, the more dependence there is on adherents connecting to each other and strategizing online rather than in-person...and I think that heavy internet dependence is one thing that promotes toxic internal climates that are hostile toward outsiders. I mean seriously, the inventor of the world wide web himself has recently characterized the internet as a cesspool of misogyny that's only becoming more hostile toward girls and women over time. (In large part that's just simply because far more men than women have internet access in the first place, and so men far outnumber women in most online spaces.) Movements that are based primarily online (with the obvious exception of internet-based women's movements) tend to wind up reflecting the attitude of the internet toward girls and women. I think that's one modern cause of this issue. There are others too, but I don't want people's attention spans to flag here.

Anyway, you ask if Warren could've defeated Biden absent Sanders being in the race? I don't know. We all remember that it was when Warren came out with her two-stage strategy for introducing Medicare-for-all that her support began to drop off. Would those people have left if the alternative of Bernie Sanders weren't present? I don't know. Speaking for myself though, I wouldn't have. I think that, at her peak, Warren had the makings of a winning coalition: one that was multi-generational, not just youthful, for example, as well as increasingly multi-racial and which included a significant chunk of the white suburban women who drove the Democrats to their victory in the midterm elections back in 2018 as well. Sanders has struggled with some of those groups, but has fared better among Latinos owing to his clear stance against ICE, in part, I think. It's really tough to say whether she might have won without Sanders in the contest. We'll never know the answer to that one.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 14 March 2020

Don't know if it's been posted here before but a Harvard computational social scientist analyzed 6.8 million tweets dating as far back as 2015 and concluded that the "Bernie bro" narrative to be a myth, Bernie supporters are no more mean than any other candidate's supporters.

Here's the link to the article, it also includes an interview with the researcher for those interested.



 

tsogud said:

Don't know if it's been posted here before but a Harvard computational social scientist analyzed 6.8 million tweets dating as far back as 2015 and concluded that the "Bernie bro" narrative to be a myth, Bernie supporters are no more mean than any other candidate's supporters.

Here's the link to the article, it also includes an interview with the researcher for those interested.

Oh no, you presented data. That is mean. And it doesn't count. A reporter knows someone who has an anecdote of a toxic Bernie-supporter on Twitter - this is what counts.



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Biden has endorsed Bernie's 2018 plan of Free Public College for every family making under 125K a year. He as also endorsed Warren's bankruptcy bill.
Further proof he's more than willing be to be a uniter, comprise with the progressive wing of the party, and listen to new ideas.



Moren said:


Biden has endorsed Bernie's 2018 plan of Free Public College for every family making under 125K a year. He as also endorsed Warren's bankruptcy bill.
Further proof he's more than willing be to be a uniter, comprise with the progressive wing of the party, and listen to new ideas.

That is actually a good thing and I appreciate it. Now let's see how much he sticks to it.



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Ah Yes, the means tested programs that always get rip to shreds instead of universal programs as a means to try to convince the youth to vote for him while we already know his donors wouldn't allow this to pass. Yes, this is totally going to convince us to come out and support him (it wont).

Let me see him swear off corporate money, get rid of his super pacs and support universal healthcare and oh yea, stop spreading misinformation about Corona but I doubt we'll see that.

I will spell this out real nice and easy. If you take corporate money, you're not getting the leftist vote and the independent voters wont trust you (Bernie has actually won the independent vote in the majority of the states, the block you need to actually win the election btw). We know about the public and private positions, we wont trust you and if we don't trust you we wont vote for you. Its really that simple. You literally told us you have no empathy for us and now that you want our vote you think you'll be able to give us some watered down half measure and appease us? You best hope that Trump continues to screw up with this Crash and this Pandemic if you want a shot at winning.

ALSO EDIT: THAT ISN'T BERNIE'S PLAN! Holy crap this man is such a freaking liar. Bernie's plan isn't some means tested 125k BS, holy crap I can't believe I missed that wording what a slime ball. Bernie's plan is free PUBLIC college for everyone regardless, not some means tested nonsense. I can't... I just can't.

Last edited by uran10 - on 15 March 2020

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uran10 said:

Ah Yes, the means tested programs that always get rip to shreds instead of universal programs as a means to try to convince the youth to vote for him while we already know his donors wouldn't allow this to pass. Yes, this is totally going to convince us to come out and support him (it wont).

Let me see him swear off corporate money, get rid of his super pacs and support universal healthcare and oh yea, stop spreading misinformation about Corona but I doubt we'll see that.

I will spell this out real nice and easy. If you take corporate money, you're not getting the leftist vote and the independent voters wont trust you (Bernie has actually won the independent vote in the majority of the states, the block you need to actually win the election btw). We know about the public and private positions, we wont trust you and if we don't trust you we wont vote for you. Its really that simple. You literally told us you have no empathy for us and now that you want our vote you think you'll be able to give us some watered down half measure and appease us? You best hope that Trump continues to screw up with this Crash and this Pandemic if you want a shot at winning.

ALSO EDIT: THAT ISN'T BERNIE'S PLAN! Holy crap this man is such a freaking liar. Bernie's plan isn't some means tested 125k BS, holy crap I can't believe I missed that wording what a slime ball. Bernie's plan is free PUBLIC college for everyone regardless, not some means tested nonsense. I can't... I just can't.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/s806

This used to be Bernie's bill.



uran10 said:

You literally told us you have no empathy for us and now that you want our vote you think you'll be able to give us some watered down half measure and appease us? You best hope that Trump continues to screw up with this Crash and this Pandemic if you want a shot at winning.

Also,

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/joe-biden-no-empathy/

The empathy was taken out of context. Biden said: No no, I have no empathy for it. Give me a break. Because here’s the deal, guys — we decided we were going to change the world, and we did. We did. We finished the civil rights movement to the first stage. The women’s movement came into being. So my message is ‘Get involved.’ 

He literally called on young people to be active and get involved in politics. A way to do that, for example, would have been voting for Bernie.