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Steroid on 14 January 2010
Kasz216 said:
Carl2291 said:
Kasz216 said:
Noobie said:
Why everyone is trying to say XBOX and PS3 is a statistical tie.??? i mean 50k is not that much meager either.. its 1.5 million dollar sales for PS3. :$ and we can also say maybe PS3 had 100k lead and NPD is showing it less.. it should be taken as +/-25k for each console instead of only +25k for XBOX and -25k for PS3 to make it a tie. :$..

i think XBOX has even won by 900 units.. it was something like 287.1k and 288k.. So it was a win for XBOX so this is a win for PS3

No... that would also be a statistical tie.  They would both be statistical ties.

Winning is winning.

Or is there a rule now on how many sales it takes for it to automatically be a "statistical tie"?

Yes.  There is a rule on that.

It's called the margin of error.

It's a statistical rule... for statistics.  Which these numbers are.

It's universal...

For it to not automatically be a statistical tie the two numbers have to be far enough apart from each other to not be within each others "margins of error."

 



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Naum on 14 January 2010
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Euphoria14 on 14 January 2010

SCEA Statement:

"It’s no surprise we’ve seen PS3 units sold every month nearly double since October. We knew 2009 would be a turning point for the platform due to the new price and a content line up that is fueling unprecedented consumer and industry interest with games like UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves. The consumer response has simply been overwhelming and we anticipate the high demand for PS3 to continue into the coming months as we work closely with retail to meet the demand. The best part of PS3’s story today is that 2010 will offer entirely new gaming experiences to consumers as we launch MAG, God of War III, 3D gaming, and the new motion controller this year. It’s never been a better time to be a PS3 owner.”

-- Patrick Seybold, Sr. Director of Corporate Communications at SCEA

PlayStation Brand Revenue

The PlayStation brand generated more than $5.1 billion in revenue in the US for 2009, a 26% share of the total video game industry revenue for 2009
Hardware

PS3 sold 1.35 million hardware units in December 2009 in the US, which represents an 87% increase when compared to December 2008
PS3 hardware was the only home console to see double digit growth of 22% for the calendar year of 2009 (4.3 million total) when compared to the calendar year of 2008 (3.5 million total)
December 2009 marks the single highest selling month for PS3 hardware and software in the US.
PSP hardware also saw an increase of more than 122% from November to December 2009, making it a popular holiday gift item
Software

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 for PS3 was ranked in the top five software skus for December 2009
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 topped PS3 software for the calendar year of 2009 with a total of 2.8 million units sold to date, followed by Madden NFL 10 and Assassin’s Creed II for PS3
UNCHARTED 2: Among Thieves has surpassed 1 million units in North America* with more than 950k units reported by NPD in the U.S. since launch
PlayStation Network

December 2009 also marked PlayStation Network's single highest revenue month, jumping 155% from December 2008 in North America *
The highest activity for the month of December on PlayStation Network was Christmas Day
PS one classic game FINAL FANTASY VIII took top honors as the most downloaded “game” of December, followed by the PlayStation Network exclusive PixelJunk Shooter *
We also saw incremental sales driven by great add-on content such as the Call of Duty: World at War Map Packs, which took the top 3 paid downloads for the calendar year of 2009 *
2009 Top Ten Paid Downloads on PlayStation Network*

1) Call of Duty: World at War Map Pack 1
2) Call of Duty: World at War Map Pack 2
3) Call of Duty: World at War Map Pack 3
4) FIFA 09 Gold Pack
5) Final Fantasy VII (PS3/PSP)
6) Battlefield 1943
7) Fat Princess
8 ) MARVEL VS CAPCOM 2
9) Flower
10) Mortal Kombat II



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Euphoria14 on 14 January 2010
BoneyBoy said:
Hyruken said:
Simply amazing numbers by Nintendo and PS3 deserves their numbers for sure. They had a load of great games out recently.

I wonder how Microsoft will react to being last in all regions. No wonder we did not hear from them today ;)

So how were the numbers year over year?

Microsoft has profited for 2 straight years with their xbox division.

They are simply trying to make some profit.

Sony and the ps3 has NEVER made 1 yen of profit in 3 years.

Microsoft isn't worried about losing by 50k after sony's huge price cut, huge marketing campaig, and redesigned console.

 

50k in only 1 region. They are losing by much more than that Worldwide.

Noting how he said "in all regions".



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darthdevidem01 on 14 January 2010
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Kasz216 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
December was a massive success for all companies in 2009. Nintendo managed to move tons of hardware and software, while Sony and Microsoft had a very successful end of the year bang with hardware sales. New Super Mario Bros. Wii was the biggest selling title on Wii in December, with sales likely to stay strong well into 2010.

Wii:3.81M,
PS3, 1.36M
Xbox 360 1.31M

http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-12218-Video-Game-Examiner~y2010m1d14-Decemeber-NPD-Report
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Ps3 BEATS 360 OMGGGGGGG!

Not really.

1.36 vs 1.31 is a statistical tie.

I really wouldn't call it beating it based on how NPD numbers are calculated.

 

You wouldn't but I would

PS3 BEAT 360!! (by around 50K too)

This was a shocker to me, but less so after the SONY internal reports said 1.35 Million were sold

Well i'll put it this way.

Anyone who knows anything about statistics and the kind of thing NPD does wouldn't say the PS3 beat the 360.

It's well within the margin of error.


As for the Wii numbers... seems unbeleivable to me.

So what?

seriously are you really getting this deep into me just saying "PS3 beat 360" (which no-one was expecting), in pure numbers that did happen, chill out

It didn't though.  Because of the "margin of error."  The PS3 didn't sell 1.36 and the 360 didn't sell 1.31.


The Ps3 sold ~1.36 and the 360 sold ~1.31.

It's a big difference.


It's also not "getting into you."  It's stating a fact for people who don't know much about statistics.

No I will continue to say PS3 beat 360 in december 2009, because it clearly did according to the numbers

you continue saying it was "within margin of error" so they were equal & be happy that you know more about statistics than most other people

It didn't according to the numbers.

The numbers are aproximations.  Numbers that are aproximations or ~ are said to fall within the margin of error with the ~ as an approximate middleground.

Any two ~ that overlap with the margin of error are considered equal.

 

~1.36 = ~1.31

you can keep going on about statistics, I have made my position clear to you already.



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Carl on 14 January 2010
Kasz216 said:
Carl2291 said:
Kasz216 said:
Noobie said:
Why everyone is trying to say XBOX and PS3 is a statistical tie.??? i mean 50k is not that much meager either.. its 1.5 million dollar sales for PS3. :$ and we can also say maybe PS3 had 100k lead and NPD is showing it less.. it should be taken as +/-25k for each console instead of only +25k for XBOX and -25k for PS3 to make it a tie. :$..

i think XBOX has even won by 900 units.. it was something like 287.1k and 288k.. So it was a win for XBOX so this is a win for PS3

No... that would also be a statistical tie.  They would both be statistical ties.

Winning is winning.

Or is there a rule now on how many sales it takes for it to automatically be a "statistical tie"?

Yes.  There is a rule on that.

It's called the margin of error.

It's a statistical rule... for statistics.  Which these numbers are.

It's universal...

For it to not automatically be a statistical tie the two numbers have to be far enough apart from each other to not be within each others "margins of error."

We don't know the NPD margin of error though...

Or do we?



                            

trangentspree on 14 January 2010

I would love it if this was Nintendo's strategy.

Discover your console has broken the record of consoles sold in a month by a total of ONE MILLION.

Release a report suggesting you have managed to marginally break the record, and foster speculation about whether this has been accomplished or not. Sit back and let the true figures roll in.

Watch the people go batshit crazy.



Kasz216 on 14 January 2010
Steroid said:
Kasz216 said:
Carl2291 said:
Kasz216 said:
Noobie said:
Why everyone is trying to say XBOX and PS3 is a statistical tie.??? i mean 50k is not that much meager either.. its 1.5 million dollar sales for PS3. :$ and we can also say maybe PS3 had 100k lead and NPD is showing it less.. it should be taken as +/-25k for each console instead of only +25k for XBOX and -25k for PS3 to make it a tie. :$..

i think XBOX has even won by 900 units.. it was something like 287.1k and 288k.. So it was a win for XBOX so this is a win for PS3

No... that would also be a statistical tie.  They would both be statistical ties.

Winning is winning.

Or is there a rule now on how many sales it takes for it to automatically be a "statistical tie"?

Yes.  There is a rule on that.

It's called the margin of error.

It's a statistical rule... for statistics.  Which these numbers are.

It's universal...

For it to not automatically be a statistical tie the two numbers have to be far enough apart from each other to not be within each others "margins of error."

 

Yeah, kinda feels like that... hah.

Just stating though, that there actually is a rule involving such things.   As somebody who really likes science and had a degree that involved stats.  It's really important to me to try and explain statistics even when people don't want to listen.

 

People often say statistics lie... they don't statistics don't like.  People just misinterpret them because they're generally ignorant about statistics.



Auron on 14 January 2010
BoneyBoy said:
Hyruken said:
Simply amazing numbers by Nintendo and PS3 deserves their numbers for sure. They had a load of great games out recently.

I wonder how Microsoft will react to being last in all regions. No wonder we did not hear from them today ;)

So how were the numbers year over year?

Microsoft has profited for 2 straight years with their xbox division.

They are simply trying to make some profit.

Sony and the ps3 has NEVER made 1 yen of profit in 3 years.

Microsoft isn't worried about losing by 50k after sony's huge price cut, huge marketing campaig, and redesigned console.

 

No such division, Xbox is part of the Entertainment & Devices Division which includes many other things besides Xbox products.  Nice try at spin though.



DirtyP2002 on 14 January 2010
Euphoria14 said:
BoneyBoy said:
Hyruken said:
Simply amazing numbers by Nintendo and PS3 deserves their numbers for sure. They had a load of great games out recently.

I wonder how Microsoft will react to being last in all regions. No wonder we did not hear from them today ;)

So how were the numbers year over year?

Microsoft has profited for 2 straight years with their xbox division.

They are simply trying to make some profit.

Sony and the ps3 has NEVER made 1 yen of profit in 3 years.

Microsoft isn't worried about losing by 50k after sony's huge price cut, huge marketing campaig, and redesigned console.

 

50k in only 1 region. They are losing by much more than that Worldwide.

Noting how he said "in all regions".

???

MS is making money in all regions and Sony is losing money in all regions?? Your point?

 



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