The Wii has actually been very good to me as a PS3 owner, When I bought my PS3, I expected it to be the number system, by Sony Fucked up with the price, so I was stuck with a third place console. But because the Wii although the best selling console in the market, the fastest selling console ever did not become what the PS2 was, I actually get games,  the big ones.

But that's also where I think Nintendo messed up too, I should be wanting to get the Wii as a core game fan, How many Nintendo fans bought a PS2 last Gen, a lot right. But, The Wii while gaining a new market of non-gamers, It's not gaining the people who actually will stay with you for a long time.

I really have no worry of the Wii, their fans is what get to me. PLease stop acting like you guys are smarter, I saw that post, plenty of people in my family own a Wii, and they are no smarter than me. And core values, seriously, all of us are the same really, I like Sony for a reason just like someone like MS for a reason, you are not that special.

And last,

There is no war against the Wii, that's the price you pay when you are numer 1, you get critized more , analyzed more and more people are jealous of you. When ever you are the best or lead at anything the media will find ways to get you. that's the way things are, ask Tiger woods, Obama, Ipod.

I agree about the motion controls.  I think its great.  And that achievements are overrated.  But everything in that "Nintendo is lazy" column I pretty much agreed with. 

But again, i wouldnt' be putting in on the Nintendo section of a site without giving "positive" opinions as well.  You don't draw people in by tearing apart what they are interested in.  That being said, I'm really glad I'm not a "nintendo reporter" for IGN right now, because I would be finding it difficult to be excited about much.  But I would think they could find someone that was....

I actually agree with that. My only complaint this generation is more games are not on all 3 home consoles. I cannot understand why people would exclude a portion of the gamer fanbase. I suppose there must be some rational that is lost on me. Logic dictates that the guy getting paid tens of millions of dollars has a better idea of how to keep a company going than I do. I just wish they would enlighten me at the least.

Here is my problem with people blaming Nintendo for the lack of core games on the Wii. The core game list currently is absolutely dominated by Nintendo properties. How can you fault a company that is showing so much love to that demographic? One could argue that they are not good at courting third parties. This is reasonable, but hardly new. Hell, they are doing about a bazilllion times better than last generation.

I do have a question for you. Let us assume that you are right and Nintendo's main audience is these "non-gamers" that have not played before. How long should you expect them to last? Based on their previous video game buying habits that is. I am going to guess you will say low, and I will counter by asking for evidence. We do not know how long these people will be around. What we know is Nintendo offered them a product they desired, and it was bought by them. Why would they magically stop being enticed by similar offerings? What is inherent to this undefined demographic that means they will go away? As noname remembers as well there was an almost identical backlash against the Madden et al crowd during the PS1 rise to dominance.

The Wii fans act like they are smarter for the same reason the PS2 fans did. They are "winning" and thus get to preen and crow about how great they are.  As you say later, this is just the result of being number 1. If it is directed at me, well I can say it has nothing to do with the Wii. I am just naturally a very arrogant person. I don't actually think I am smarter than  any other given person though. I do think I have a better perspective than 90% of the people on internet message boards, but that is hardly a feat.

Any term I used in quotes was because I don't agree with the usage. There is no war. There is a lot more backlash than we saw against the PS2 last gen. There is probably about as much as there was against the PS1, or NES. Gamers just don't play well with others for some reason. When new people come in it appears the natural reaction is to look down our noses at the new guy. I was extremely guilty of this when we saw the rise of the sports games in the 90s which is why I have such a good perspective on it today.

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That article is, similarly, mostly garbage. This is not really the thread to has that out in though. We have one somewhere around here where I will gladly pick apart a lot of the stupid things he says. The short version is that appealing to a different audience does not make them lazy. It just means they are appealing to a different audience that doesn't care about what others would like to see implemented.

Edit: Oh whoops. I completely mis-read your achievments/motion control comment. My bad. I must say that I might disagree on specifics but I do respect your stance. We might never agree on what is the most epic game ever, but I imagine we could at least respect that the other person's choice is valid. A rare, and extremely awesome quality on the internet.

I'm all for people enjoying the Wii. Just because I was really disappointed with it doesn't mean I want everyone to be disappointed with it. Which is basically what I'm saying about the podcast/article...I agree (with a lot of it - not all of it), but they didn't put it out in an appropriate way.

I believe I'm getting NSMBW for Christmas, and I'll pick up Metroid Other M most likely, too, so there's still a chance I change my mind. I hope I do...Id much rather eat my words that I don't like the Wii and find a couple games I enjoy.

Although noname2200 already linked to comments I made in another thread (thanks noname2200 *blush*) here's my two cents.

It doesn't matter. Nintendo is reaching the mainstream audience that IGN cannot. In fact it's an audience the editor's of IGN (who are not schooled journalists just fanboys) do not even understand.

Are they all wrong in their beliefs? Not entirely. There's nothing inheritantly wrong with acheivements, epic stories and HD graphics and I wouldn't complain if Wii had them but then again, I don't give a rats ass it doesn't. I have a 360. Wii get 95% of my playtime because I don't have time for epic stories (and really, calling video game stories 'epic' is pure self-indulgence and dilusion), I play for fun, I don't really care if I suck or rock, as long as I have fun and while pretty graphics are nice, for Nintendo games the Wii's graphics are sufficient and Nintendo has always made their own systems for their own development first and foremost.

They seem to think the casual market is fickle and just going to up and leave the Wii and DS and without the 'core' it'll be dead. Maybe. Maybe, could happen. Nintendo is well aware of that. Iwata has mentioned it himself. But that same casual market has lifted every major game system from Atari 2600 (another underpowered overachiever) to PS2 (again, the least powerful system last gen) from also-ran to forerunner.

Yes Nintendo has sold systems to people who never bought one before (myself included) and to an extent it's faddish. But it's also saving the industry from itself. Why on Earth would Nintendo want to be like Sony and MS who are both billions in the hole?? Sure 360 is now clearing a profit but will likely never recoop the 5b already lost on 360 alone in the first 2 years and RRoD guarantee. PS3 has wiped out all profit ever made from the Playstation brand and is still losing Sony money to this day. It'll probably take another two successful systems for Sony to even break back even with it's venture into the games industry.

If IGN cannot fathom that Nintendo has saved the games industry from itself by showing how REAL profittability can be obtained then it is they, not the fan-boys who have blinded themselves.

Havn't said that, Nintendo is also blind to social gaming and that desperately needs to be addressed or they will become irrelavent. 360 is leading in that department but all consoles are far, far removed from really reaching that massive market. Look at how many people play that farm game on Facebook. More than any console game, than any console game but a very long shot.

I live only to play the next great 2D platformer. I gorge myself on everyone that gets released. I snap them up as soon as possible so I can get the maximum amount of time to potentially play the game at all. At least 2-3 times a year I break out Super Mario World just to speed run it, and then get all 96 exits simply for the thrill of the game. I say this so that my next statement has as much weight as possible.

New Super Mario Bros Wii is arguably the best Mario platformer ever created, and easily belongs in the top 5 best platformers to have ever been made. I have beaten the game 3 times already, and I am tempted to have another go at it soon.

People hated the PS2 with a passion, there were sites dedicated to that too. It was probably worst.

From my personal experiance, The Wii is attracting a lot of women, I can't tell how many times they bring up Wii and Wiifit, that's new to me. Frankly that's a good thing, great job by Nintendo for bringing them in, but it's unclear how long they will stay, but since most Nintendo fans seems to be happy, only time will tell.

As long as the core Nintendo games sell, the only thing really is to get the big third party games, I just don't see it outside of japan, which is fine by me.

Ridiculous

Nintendo is having some trouble attracting third parties. This is also the best third party support they have had since the SNES. No company is anxious to compete head-on with Nintendo, and for very good reason. Nintendo also has a history of treating third parties like shit, and that is for no good reason. I find it extremely hard to believe that third parties would magically like them more for staying the course like they did the previous 2 generations given how low support was then.