huaxiong90 said:
-_-... Reread the comment, please. |
yes i agree with you misunderstanding
Xoj said:
as far games, i disagree too, even with the low userbase dreamcast have one of the first years line up ever. especially in japan, just SEGA didn't have microsoft money to drag on 6 billion in losses. |
Oh boy, I played just about everything the Dreamcast had and I completely disagree. Also the Saturn sold considerably better with a weaker library. Disagree if you want, but brand loyalty definitely plays a role.
MS losing 6 billion is completely irrelevant. Although that money spent has helped MS grow as a major console manufacture. To the contrary, Sony lost billions and have hurt the Playstation brand.
| nofingershaha said: The real problem isn't racism, bias, or even the RROD, but commitment to their market on Microsoft's part. Remember when Sega pulled the plug on the Saturn because it was doing poorly in the West, Saturn games and consoles were still being sold in Japan. When Sega decided to become a software company and abandoned the Dreamcast, they still supported the Dreamcast in Japan long after the console cycle ended everywhere else. My point is Japan is not Microsoft's territory and if their gaming division in Japan fails to bring in revenue, then Microsoft can easily withdraw from that market. For Nintendo and Sony, Japan is the last market they will abandon. Japan is where their main location is at and that gives Japanese consumers some insurance that the console they invest in will continue to be around for some time. We all can agree that if we knew Sega was only going to support the Dreamcast for a couple of years, no one would have invested in that console. It is the same with Japanese gamers, they do not know if Microsoft is committed to their market enough. |
The Japanese couldn't care less if Microsoft was to sacrifice itself. Japan is a socialistic nation whilst America is individualistic. They are for each other and we are for ourselves. They will support their companies and help them grow so they then provide them with quality giving back to community. America downsizes their companies and outsources to Asia so they wont have to pay workers as much and raise profit margins. America is the polar opposite of Japan....we promote competition and open-mindedness which is why we fail with the rest of the world. At some point Europeans buy their goods to support their economy, Japanese buy their goods religiously and America buys from everyone. If you've got something of value we want it. The average Europeans consumption rate per capita is nowhere near to us. We need to start being a little nationalistic so quality can come back to America.
huaxiong90 said:
Metacritic disagrees with you. |
So Metacritic compares the library directly? Perhaps expectations were much lower during the life of the Dreamcast?
| MontanaHatchet said: This is what happens every time someone asks this question (and this question has been asked here many, many times): 1. One guy comes in and insults the Japanese. 2. A couple people claim that the Japanese are really xenophobic. 3. Everyone misses the real point. Microsoft royally fucked up with the first Xbox. They came into the market with nothing but Dead or Alive 3 to appeal to the Japanese market. The original Xbox had everything going against it. The console itself was huge, which was terrible for Japanese homes. The controller was also enormous, which was terrible for Japanese hands. And the system itself was plentiful with shooters and action games, but very little that appealed to the Japanese market. Then, Microsoft made the same idiotic mistakes again with the 360, and they thought they could fix them a couple years later by buying off developers to make some fairly "meh" JRPGs for the system. It gave them a great sales boost, and the 360 sold more than the PS3 several times (and even more than the Wii a couple times!). But eventually the Japanese realized that these RPGs that the 360 had were fairly average, that the system was pretty much absent of games that appealed to them besides those, and that if they wanted RPGs, they should just go to the handheld consoles. Microsoft will likely never win the Japanese market, they should just give up. |
come to think to it ...u might be right!
Boneitis said:
So Metacritic compares the library directly? Perhaps expectations were much lower during the life of the Dreamcast? |
I'm sorry...what?
Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!
Kojima: Come out with Project S already!
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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Well, sales in europe were pretty bad for XBox too, although not as bad as in Japan. Last official figures said that XBox sold 16 million in NA and 6 million in europe and 2 million in Asia. So sales outside USA where not good anywhere.
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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You make good points on the rest of the world being more community/society driven than the US. However I think its important to note while we are on the subject, Ipods have literally crushed the MP3 market in Japan. Even Ken Kutaragi was disappointed with Sony's response to Apple's Ipod. So while Japanese do prefer their own goods and services, there have been exceptions.
Untamoi said:
Well, sales in europe were pretty bad for XBox too, although not as bad as in Japan. Last official figures said that XBox sold 16 million in NA and 6 million in europe and 2 million in Asia. So sales outside USA where not good anywhere. |
The Xbox didn't last 9-10 years like the PS2 did. Europ at least purchased over six milion conoles, which shows openmindedness and that their market has potential. Japan did not give Microsoft anywhere near a million last gen. Do you think Sony is doing well with Japan after 3 years? Kinda slow right? Thats what happens when you have to win the respect of a market all over again. At least they are willing to give that chance to Sony though. Sadly Microsoft isn't Japanese and they will never get that chance unless they cut off Sony in some shape or form.
I have seen a lot of misinformation in this thread spread by PS fanboys.
1) Whoever said that the 360 doesn't have any exclusive Japan-only games needs to educate themselves right now. Go to Vgchartz database, select X360 under Console, region: Japan. You'd be surprised how much Japan-only stuff has remained 360 exclusive. They are just niche and aren't big sellers like Tales and Star Ocean (these are the only two major IPs that M$ lost to my knowledge. Ninja Gaiden isn't big in Japan. It's fanbase is mostly western)
2) Not everything gets ported to the PS3. Enchanted Arms, Eternal Sonata, Tales of Vesperia and Ninja Gaiden II got ported (and it's debateable whether Sigma 2 is really "enhanced" from what I've heard about comparisons between the two). And Star Ocean 4 is going to get ported soon. But the vast majority of 360 exclusives in Japan remained 360 exclusive or M$ exclusive (360/Windows OS like the visual novels and TLR). Don't use your ignorance about the 360 scene in Japan as an excuse to overlook this. Some are Japan-only, some have been localized to the western market.
3) Saying that the jrpgs on the 360 are second-rate is an insult to Mistwalker (Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon). Infinite Undiscovery while not my cup of tea, definitely has fans. Can't comment on The Last Remnant and Magnacarta II yet but those games do have a following. Famitsu loved TLR. Btw Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon are M$ property so they are not getting ported unless M$ sells off the IPs.
4) Saying that the 360 software isn't good is bs. The western otakus who are saying this stuff, stop being so close-minded and actually try western games for a change. Just because you don't have a 360 doesn't mean it doesn't have value. I am ashamed of my geeky niche Japanese interests because of how annoying and close-minded this fanbase can be in the west. It makes me sick. I like both western and Japanese games. The 360 also has a lot of good Japanese software but if you want to bash it because of your "it must suck because it's on a western console" irrationality, be my guest. It's western otakus like that that give people like me a bad name and get me branded unjustly with "weeaboo" labels and what not just because I have diverse interests.
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