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Xen on 01 December 2009
Gamerace said:
The problem, as I see it, is the Wii's audience is too divergent. Nintendo is really the only publisher who really understands 'Games for Everyone' because that's what Nintendo has always made since day 1.

Everyone else caters to niche (and there are lots of niche Wii titles) or the enthusiast crowd. There are some enthusiasts with Wii, lots in fact, but most of them also have a PS360. And vertually everyone with a PS360 is an enthusiast. So if that's you're bread and butter, your core compentacy that's where you're going to put your games.

To their credit EA and Ubisoft have been making some strides to start making 'Games for Everyone' from Shaun White to Grand Slam Tennis, to Boom Blox. Activision has also delivered with rock solid Guitar Heros and CoD (even though they are 2 years late....) They've had success but not Nintendo type success. Of course Nintendo has the power of massive brands like Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Donkey Kong, etc. with 20+ years of history and global regconition.

In a nutshell, you're simply never going to see a Assasin's Creed or Left 4 Dead on Wii because there's simply not enough dedicated (single system) enthusiast gamers on Wii to support those types of games. You may very likely see the next Prince of Persia on Wii though since the movie will give it the same broad regconition Resident Evil currently enjoys.

Wii is what it is and what Nintendo set out to make it. A system for everyone, not just game enthusiasts. Therefore you either need to redefine what you consider a top notch effort to be (Rock Band, Tiger Woods, Dead Space:Extraction, etc. are all excellent Wii games with real budgets and effort behind them) or realize 3rd party can't compete directly because no one, not even Sega, has developed and maintained brands like Nintendo has over the last 30 years that appeal to 'everyone'. Their's a few recent breakouts with mass apeal - Guitar Hero and Call of Duty (and Halo but that's exclusive MS) and those are already on Wii.

I have read this whole thread and I'm really disappointed in the Nintendo fanbase on this site... this would be the only decent post in the whole thread that I can agree with. I salute you, good Sir.

Everyone else... is just bitching and bashing other consoles.

 



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maykissthebride on 01 December 2009
cgkc17 said:

 

The Conduit - 300,000

MadWorld - 340,000

Little Kings Story - 130,000

Muramasa - 160,00

Dead Space Extraction - 90,000

No More Heroes - 470,000

Fragile - 60,000

Okami - 280,000

Tales of Symphonia: DotNW - 400,000

de Blob - 740,000

Phantom Brave - 60,000

Valhalla Knights - 50,000

Rune Factory Frontier - 110,000

Zack and Wiki - 370,000

Monster Hunter Tri - 950,000

Boom Blox - 990,000

Resident Evil 4 - 1.64 Million

Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles - 1.34 Million

The House of the Dead: 2 and 3 - 1.11 Million

Red Steel - 1.19 Million

 

Party Games and Rail Shooters sell well. Thats why there are so many on the system. Many quality third party games don't sell well, thats why they are few and far between. When they do sell, they get sequels. See Red Steel 2 and Resident Evil: The Darkside Chronicles.

Please, enlighten us: From the above selected titles, which ones bear the same amount of production values, effort and advertising as Assassins Creed II or Resident Evil 5?

 

let me answer that: ONLY MONSTER HUNTER TRI!!!!!!

A game that you´re complaining that it sold only 1mil copies... but it didnt leaved japan yet!!!!!!!!

 

You wanna try and tell me that Valhalla Knights is a great game and it only didnt sold well because its for the Wii? THE GAME IS A TRAIN WRECK! If it was released for other systems people would probably start to burn their own PS3 and XBOXs in the streets out of hate and dispair!

 

 



jarrod on 01 December 2009
cgkc17 said:

Party Games and Rail Shooters sell well. 

Tell that to Dead Space Extraction or Wacky World of Sports.

Some certainly have no doubt, but then so have action RPGs, 1st/3rd person shooters, beat'em ups, music/rhythm, platformers, racers, puzzlers, sports, etc, etc.  There's diversity problems in Wii's library, and 3rd parties continually overloading two genres (party for the casuals, railshooters for the core) isn't going to make anyone take notice of your game.



SnesTea on 01 December 2009
NKAJ said:

Good wii games DO SELL A LOT. Look at wii fit and Wii Sports resort.

 

sorry you think wii fit and wii sports are good games??/????

Oh snap!



neerdowell on 01 December 2009

Here's an idea, if you want to play the games that are coming to the HD systems, buy an HD system.



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LordTheNightKnight on 01 December 2009

"Its the fact that the primary reason for the so called "3rd party games dont sell on the wii" talk is simple that 3rd party dont put any money on the wii.

They dont release big games on the system. They dont advertise it properly. They just push out of their huge corporate vaginas an abortion made by a 5 people team, pray it sells 1mil and complain when it dont."

There are some, like Monster Hunter 3, but they are so rare, the gaming companies just ignore that they do well despite being on the Wii.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

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Kantor on 01 December 2009

We've had this thread MANY, MANY, MANY times.

And I'm sick of saying the same thing again and again, so I will leave you with this:

If a publisher or developer genuinely thought it would be advantageous to develop on Wii, they would. And they do. If a developer genuinely thinks it would be advantageous to make a certain TYPE of Wii game, they would do so. Developers are not so fickle as to DESPISE a console so much that they will not develop for it without a good reason, especially if they know the game is going to post a good profit.

These people have been in the business for years. They know how it works. Who are we to tell them how to do their job?



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maykissthebride on 01 December 2009
neerdowell said:
Here's an idea, if you want to play the games that are coming to the HD systems, buy an HD system.

I dont want the games that are coming to HD system.


I just want big games with high production values on the wii.

 

Wanna comment? Fine. Read at least the first post.



maykissthebride on 01 December 2009
Snesboy said:
NKAJ said:

Good wii games DO SELL A LOT. Look at wii fit and Wii Sports resort.

 

sorry you think wii fit and wii sports are good games??/????

Oh snap!

They´re not good games. They´re amazing games.



Xen on 01 December 2009
maykissthebride said:
Snesboy said:
NKAJ said:

Good wii games DO SELL A LOT. Look at wii fit and Wii Sports resort.

 

sorry you think wii fit and wii sports are good games??/????

Oh snap!

They´re not good games. They´re amazing games.

They're amazing... tech demos.