How is a used game different from something else that is used? Only one person can use it at a time? A car a house a cd a dvd a piece of clothing? The manufacturer only gets the money once. Why should everyone have to buy something new so that only manufactures get the money? When thousands pirate a game there are thousands of copies made not by the manufacturer. Every used copy had to have been bought buy someone once. Each copy only belonging to one person at a time. Those who sell the games don't make money off of them just end up spending less. I bought folklore new for 60 played it for a while eventually I had no use for it so I sold it. Yes the manufacturer didn't get money from that sale but why should they? They didn't help me sell it? I had to do that on my own. Did I made money? Not at all but I got some back and that plus the other money I got back from other games I used to buy uncharted 2. Now someone else has the games and I no longer do they can play them I can't. They saw the money from the first sale. If the game were better I might have held onto it longer and the person who got it from me would have had to get it somewhere else possibly even new. Better games see fewer used copies on the market more people buy new. Bad games see more used copies on the market fewer people buy new. Shorter games with low replay unfortunately even if they are great can end up on the market like bad games. Probably why Valve bundled Portal in the orange box.

second hand games are a way for the market to say what the price of a game should be
the manufacturer still have control over the total amount it circulation except when it can be pirated and suddenly there is an infinite amount
if the manufacture didn't want to make a game that could be sold second hand they can make it digitally only and so there is no second hand market although usually much fewer sales since you can't lend those out either

I find that hard to swallow.

First off piracy is illegal while used games are legal.
Piracy hurts the developers more than the used game market does (see my earlier posts and almost everyone else's post).
Piracy is stealing.

Regardless, it sounds like you are very whiny and bitchy that people who don't pirate think they are morally better than people who do pirate, even though they legally buy used games. 

Ethics are subjectively, culturally, and historically relative. So technically none are morally wrong. Who are we to judge .

Well, we still have to judge relative to current moralistic understanding. It would be one thing to try to judge another time period, but it's fine to pass judgment on our own.

That's possibly because piracy is illegal, and sees no money going to the developer/publisher, and the buying or selling of used games, which does see money going to the developer/publisher isn't.  They are better than a pirate, and i'm really really struggling to see how you can justify lumping sellers/purchasers of second hand goods with people who illegally download software for free.

Someone purchases a game, and money goes to the publisher, they then sell that game at a lower price than they bought it to someone who wouldn't otherwise have bought that game, who possibly buys DLC also. The original purchaser then has extra money to spend on another game, another publisher gets money.  Plus, if there's no second hand market, you'd see far smaller game (and console) sales than we currently see.

It's high horse by the way. Highchairs are what babies sit in.

How is that so? Which money do they see form the used game sales? Please someone tell me. Where exactly do they get money from when you buy or sell your game used? Used means person to person, not person to publisher back to person. Also by your logic a pirate would have even MORE money to spend on games that the publisher releases in the future. Also the whole "wouldn't have bought it anyway" defense is a hallmark of piracy. In fact, jsut aboubt all of your defense, if you switch used games with piracy would be just as valid.

@Senlis

This doesn't have shit to do with legallity, at one point you could kill a black man legally, didn't make it more right or wrong, piracy is NOT stealing, it's making a copy, andpiracy as a whole does hurt more than used games, on the individual scale it doesn't change the fact that developers don't see any money and you play the game without paying the one who made it.

@vlad321

I made several posts earlier that debunk your arguments in your last post. However, I would rather go back to playing my Mario 64 that I bought used then continue this debate. Anyway, I think we established that piracy is illegal like skipping the doctor bill is illegal. We already established that buying used product does not harm the developer as much as piracy, that the developers do profit from the used market in the long run.

Anything that is left is morals, which is impossible to debate reasonably. I wish that the used console market would be like the PC market where I can buy an older game from the manufacturer at a reduced price. Kinda an argument for the PC market.

vlad321 according to you is it moral to buy anything used since the one who made it will only get money the first time it's sold?
A house?
a car?
clothing?
a book?
a cd?
a dvd?
a bike?
a piece of art?
when you sell something physical it can be resold latter. why should the person who made it in the first place get money for every time it's resold? because they made it? well the got paid when it was sold in the first place. We can't all buy used copies of games because until it's bought in the fist place there are no used copies.
I feel nothing morally wrong with selling something I bought to someone else. When I sell it I can't use it anymore I can't see it anymore it is no longer mine.

I can also build a copy of the house and give it to my friend legally, a la piracy for CDs, why should I not be able to pirate then? I don't think you realize that video games arent physical things, the CDs they are on it is, but the game itself is not. Go ahead and wipe the video game and resell the CD if you want to equate used market to reselling houses and other physical items.