@atma

Did you read my post??

FALSE

If you compared MS 1st Party game sales & 2nd party game sales WITHOUT Gears & Halo it would look "bad" too.

COmpare PS3 1st party sales after its biggest game GT5 has released.

@CGI & Carl

bravo for proving atma wrong so many times.

I saw this in the thread too but that doesn't mean much either. More torrents do not mean more downloads. For example, on platform A, it has 1 torrent being downloaded 1000 times and platform B has 10 torrents being downloaded 50 times each.  Based on the number of torrents, platform B is 10 times more pirated than platform A. However, it is certainly not the case.

Also, as I mentioned above, "people can easily download DS ROMs directly without BT since they are usually much smaller games." BT is only part of piracy. With the ease of access to DS ROMs directly, I suspect there would be a lot more piracy of DS games not on BT than PSP games.

Last, I also don't get the claim that PSP is more pirated because "it does not require additional hardware to pirate". I actually think the steps to put games on the cart is much simpler than the seps to hack a PSP.

Aie. This thread is a bit of a mess. Cut down on those quote boxes!

Alright, let's start with CGI's list. I believe you pulled that out of Wiki? For one, it's inaccurate, and secondly, the non-bundled condition was kind of thrown in. I'm sure you knew atma was talking about using VGC's own top 20 data (see here). As for the inaccuracy, it leaves out GTA:Vice City and GTA III, which damages atma's argument. It also doesn't take into consideration that the GTA's also had extra sales on the PC / Xbox, and being multi-platform is the very reason used to defend potential GT5 sales. We all know GTA is bigger than GT, there's no use arguing it just because atma said it.

As for the GT5 sales on PS3, I'll just say I wouldn't be surprised if it hit 10 million. We've argued this with atma enough, no use continuing (he didn't change his stance on it in the countless threads before, it isn't going to change now).

As for piracy on the PSP, it's obviously a problem, but I wouldn't say it's worse than on the DS. While few people will end up pirating Hannah Montana, I'm sure a ton are pirating the core DS games, like TWEWY or GTA:CW. I've seen about 6 people at my school with DS's, and all of them were using slot-1 cards for it... (bleh). Bittorrent means little when DS games are small enough to download straight off direct download sites.

I did see someone (earlier in the thread) say they'd buy GTAIV if it remained exclusive to the PS3. Most people don't care about this stuff (exclusivity). Why should that matter? I can understand wanting a better game, but that doesn't come directly from exclusivity. We know games can be awesome when multiplat on HD consoles, CoD4 is probably the best example.

Finally, ON TOPIC! GT PSP sales are okay, just need to see how it holds up over time. It seems kind of meaningless when we don't know how many sales it's getting from digital distribution, though. Hopefully Sony releases some numbers (I suspect they might if it's good news).

CGI-Quality said: atma998 said: CGI-Quality said: atma998 said: CGI-Quality said: atma998 said: CGI-Quality said: He's awful quiet all of a sudden............ No, you see I have a social life. I don't spend my entire life in front of my computer. Back on topic, I really don't know what you're trying to prove with your top 20 best selling non-bundled games. Again it's almost entirely dominated by Nintendo and GTA is still > than GT. You failed. Sorry. And nobody else does? And how did I fail, you said: "No. The ones where the whole top 10 is owned by Nintendo. The ones where Nintendo owns 18 spots of the top 20 and will own the whole top 20 really soon. This one. The only Sony game in the top 20 is guess what... GTA:SA at 18.04 million!" Who "FAILS" again? Right............ And why would we remove the bundled games again? Indeed you failed. No, I didn't. Your post was inaccurate and claimed the only Sony game in the Top 20 was GTA: SA, when indeed, not only is GTA:SA NOT a Sony game, but TWO GT games are in the Top 20. Again, it is YOU who failed, but you should know this by now.  It's unfortunate you're so overcome with extreme bias.... I don't get why you frequent Sony threads, I really don't. You didnt answer. My previous post was totally accurate, Nintendo is owning the whole top 20 and own 18 spots on the top 20 (and soon the entire top 20) best selling game. I really don't get why would we put away the bundled games unless you're a extremely Sony biased person....oh wait!   * facepalm * A. Please don't talk about bias, I'd be far-fetched to find anything that wasn't troublesome, negative, or one-sided from you. B. You said there are NO Sony games in the Top 20, except GTA:SA. 1. It's NOT a Sony game. 2. If you read the list, the games you claim are so bundled were NOT bundled at launch, which is why they count and Wii Sports does not. C. Why are you in a thread about Sony in the first place? EVERYBODY knows you aren't here to be constructive. This is basically how it is arguing with you, you'll never admit to being wrong and are as one-sided as they get...

LMAO.

Did you ever admit that you were wrong in the first place???? Sorry you're trying to prove that you're better when it's clearly not the case. The difference is that I'm using solid arguments while you're not. You evaded all my points and threw up some BS like your non-bundled list. Come on... I mean this is SO biased. I'm just using VGC data.

does only VG dont count the Downloads or is this the case on every site?

and could u explain me why VG dont count the Downloads?a GT PSP download for the full price is to 100% a sale!

or is it to difficult to count the DLs?if not its unfair for the PSP sales!

GTA is a bigger brand then GT, if it cant pass the 10 million mark what makes GT able to pass that mark...

that how they are comparable i am guessing.

point be brought up though.. GTA was also released on another system.. it wasnt exclusive soo...

O.O wow...

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