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grapeape said:
I dont get the "experiment" thing...people tend to forget that the fallback excuse that they all make when debuting a new product...remember Reggie and the "ds" is not a replacement for the GBA but a side project comments? The Go's launch is by far the worst launch of a portable system by a major player in history. Even the virtual boy managed to sell over 100,000 in its first week, and no one disputed that as a failure (well I guess now some will defend it as an "experiment" too). I dont understand the "it makes money" argument either, do people think that it just popped out of a workbench somewhere for free, at the rate its going it will take months simply to recoup the development costs. Sony's spin is to save face, nothing more. The one thing it did seem to do in my area at least is seriously boost the sales of the slim...I think some falsely believe the slim is on its way out.


....the DS played completely different games than the GB the Go doesnt... your example is flawed.



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Amazon.com lost a lot of money the first few years. They needed to get people used to buying items from an online dealer. Now it's huge.

SONY is pushing for people to buy games through digital download. This means that they need to start getting people used to the idea, similar to what amazon did.

That's the 'experiment'.



letsdance said:
grapeape said:
I dont get the "experiment" thing...people tend to forget that the fallback excuse that they all make when debuting a new product...remember Reggie and the "ds" is not a replacement for the GBA but a side project comments? The Go's launch is by far the worst launch of a portable system by a major player in history. Even the virtual boy managed to sell over 100,000 in its first week, and no one disputed that as a failure (well I guess now some will defend it as an "experiment" too). I dont understand the "it makes money" argument either, do people think that it just popped out of a workbench somewhere for free, at the rate its going it will take months simply to recoup the development costs. Sony's spin is to save face, nothing more. The one thing it did seem to do in my area at least is seriously boost the sales of the slim...I think some falsely believe the slim is on its way out.


....the DS played completely different games than the GB the Go doesnt... your example is flawed.

No actually thats my point, when Reggies comments were made it was when they were still thinking of it as an "experiment", it was able to differentiate itself in the market enough that it was no longer an experiment and became the replacement that they said it would not be.  The Go has no real ability to differentiate itself unless they decide to ditch the fanbase they already have and release go only games on psn.  The DS was still able to play GBA carts and didnt loose that ability until the DSi.  Sony would have been smarter to transition towards the go rather than just drop in a handheld that appears to be nothing but a more expensive but less capable version of the handheld they had.



grapeape said:
letsdance said:
grapeape said:
I dont get the "experiment" thing...people tend to forget that the fallback excuse that they all make when debuting a new product...remember Reggie and the "ds" is not a replacement for the GBA but a side project comments? The Go's launch is by far the worst launch of a portable system by a major player in history. Even the virtual boy managed to sell over 100,000 in its first week, and no one disputed that as a failure (well I guess now some will defend it as an "experiment" too). I dont understand the "it makes money" argument either, do people think that it just popped out of a workbench somewhere for free, at the rate its going it will take months simply to recoup the development costs. Sony's spin is to save face, nothing more. The one thing it did seem to do in my area at least is seriously boost the sales of the slim...I think some falsely believe the slim is on its way out.


....the DS played completely different games than the GB the Go doesnt... your example is flawed.

No actually thats my point, when Reggies comments were made it was when they were still thinking of it as an "experiment", it was able to differentiate itself in the market enough that it was no longer an experiment and became the replacement that they said it would not be.  The Go has no real ability to differentiate itself unless they decide to ditch the fanbase they already have and release go only games on psn.  The DS was still able to play GBA carts and didnt loose that ability until the DSi.  Sony would have been smarter to transition towards the go rather than just drop in a handheld that appears to be nothing but a more expensive but less capable version of the handheld they had.


It cant differentiate because its the same console... why cant people grasp this? The Go isn't to get people interested in the PSP. The PSP games are what does that. The Go is to get people who are interested in the games for the PSP who are going to buy one to upgrade to the premium sku...

And how the fuck did sony just drop a console and not transition when the PSP 3000 is still availble? DO you understand what you are saying? You talking as if Sony only supports the Go now and droped the PSP and is now moving onto a next gen for handhelds... this is not the case. Its the same gen with the same support.

grapeape said:

I dont get the "experiment" thing...people tend to forget that the fallback excuse that they all make when debuting a new product...remember Reggie and the "ds" is not a replacement for the GBA but a side project comments? The Go's launch is by far the worst launch of a portable system by a major player in history. Even the virtual boy managed to sell over 100,000 in its first week, and no one disputed that as a failure (well I guess now some will defend it as an "experiment" too). I dont understand the "it makes money" argument either, do people think that it just popped out of a workbench somewhere for free, at the rate its going it will take months simply to recoup the development costs. Sony's spin is to save face, nothing more. The one thing it did seem to do in my area at least is seriously boost the sales of the slim...I think some falsely believe the slim is on its way out.

The only way I see a device like the go succeeding is to start a generation that way and to tie the device to features you cant get anywhere else.  One thing I see alot of people clamoring for is a psp phone...that I can see taking off, but as it is the go just falls far short and looks like a downgrade to many rather than an upgrade.  A psp2 next time around with a collection of unique games and phone features will do much better.

Just commenting on the ds / go comparison mentioned briefly,

 

When the ds launched how much did it sell? Not too much, so how many out there considered it a flop at the time? A lot more than likely. But in time the ds suddenly took off, but it did take it weeks maybe even months before it started selling like we see it selling now. The point I am trying to get across is you can not judge the go off its first day sales or even its first week. It shows in some games, ala Uncharted or Assassins Creed, that legs mean more than being frontloaded. But give the Go a few months if the sales are the same or lower than you can call it a flop but the sales of the psp as a whole retain its sales that it had gotten this week then I call it a success. Having two sku's is a great thing for the psp, one with UMD the other all digital download. It gets the foot in the door so to speak. Watch nintendo follow in the Go's footsteps this coming E3



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markers said:

Just commenting on the ds / go comparison mentioned briefly,

When the ds launched how much did it sell? Not too much, so how many out there considered it a flop at the time? A lot more than likely. But in time the ds suddenly took off, but it did take it weeks maybe even months before it started selling like we see it selling now. The point I am trying to get across is you can not judge the go off its first day sales or even its first week. It shows in some games, ala Uncharted or Assassins Creed, that legs mean more than being frontloaded. But give the Go a few months if the sales are the same or lower than you can call it a flop but the sales of the psp as a whole retain its sales that it had gotten this week then I call it a success. Having two sku's is a great thing for the psp, one with UMD the other all digital download. It gets the foot in the door so to speak. Watch nintendo follow in the Go's footsteps this coming E3

Actually even with a staggered launch over 5 weeks (3 weeks in japan and before launching in europe at all) the original DS sold nearly 3 million.  The first week in the US alone saw 230,000 sold.  The DSi launch saw 435,000 sold in the US in the first week, 92,000 in EU in its first week and 170,000 in Japan on launch week.  We can talk legs all you want but based sheerly on numbers its the weakest console launch in nearly a decade...even the GBA Micro sold more than double, to put it in perspective it barely beat the launch of the Neo-Geo pocket color which launched online only.

Why would nintendo feel the need to follow in anyones footsteps?  Nintendo has been taking baby steps and laughing all the way to the bank, the DS launched as an "side project" and took off quickly, yet it retained full backwards compatability with the GBA, the lite was simply a redesign with no real internal changes at all, and finally the DSi launched dropping the gba slot long after the gba was no longer supported while adding an sd slot, browser, cameras, etc leading to their online strategy.  Thats the kind of transition I was talking about...IMHO Sony's strategy is a horrible misstep.



I see the pspgo becoming huge in 2010. I say give it a few months and then you can say it flopped. Was the launch disappointing.......yes but im not giving up on it yet.



grapeape said:
markers said:

Just commenting on the ds / go comparison mentioned briefly,

When the ds launched how much did it sell? Not too much, so how many out there considered it a flop at the time? A lot more than likely. But in time the ds suddenly took off, but it did take it weeks maybe even months before it started selling like we see it selling now. The point I am trying to get across is you can not judge the go off its first day sales or even its first week. It shows in some games, ala Uncharted or Assassins Creed, that legs mean more than being frontloaded. But give the Go a few months if the sales are the same or lower than you can call it a flop but the sales of the psp as a whole retain its sales that it had gotten this week then I call it a success. Having two sku's is a great thing for the psp, one with UMD the other all digital download. It gets the foot in the door so to speak. Watch nintendo follow in the Go's footsteps this coming E3

Actually even with a staggered launch over 5 weeks (3 weeks in japan and before launching in europe at all) the original DS sold nearly 3 million.  The first week in the US alone saw 230,000 sold.  The DSi launch saw 435,000 sold in the US in the first week, 92,000 in EU in its first week and 170,000 in Japan on launch week.  We can talk legs all you want but based sheerly on numbers its the weakest console launch in nearly a decade...even the GBA Micro sold more than double, to put it in perspective it barely beat the launch of the Neo-Geo pocket color which launched online only.

Why would nintendo feel the need to follow in anyones footsteps?  Nintendo has been taking baby steps and laughing all the way to the bank, the DS launched as an "side project" and took off quickly, yet it retained full backwards compatability with the GBA, the lite was simply a redesign with no real internal changes at all, and finally the DSi launched dropping the gba slot long after the gba was no longer supported while adding an sd slot, browser, cameras, etc leading to their online strategy.  Thats the kind of transition I was talking about...IMHO Sony's strategy is a horrible misstep.

Don't forget the DS Lite, which had massive sales performance. Perhaps the best redesign launch ever. It was sold out for how long?



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

markers said:
How can a new sku flop? It sells along side the psp-3000, consumers decide which they want.

Because more people are interested in domming sony than the system itself.

So imo this is more some fanboy's cherry picking, insteristing enough even old psp users

hate the system because "its not for them".

Anyway i was specting alot less sales considering the price of the product, so imo is not a flop.



silicon said:
Amazon.com lost a lot of money the first few years. They needed to get people used to buying items from an online dealer. Now it's huge.

SONY is pushing for people to buy games through digital download. This means that they need to start getting people used to the idea, similar to what amazon did.

That's the 'experiment'.

You don't need to push people to buy games through digital download.

You just need to offer a good system to do it...

I mean hell, with your avatar you should know better.