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Ronster316 said:
CGI-Quality said:
Ronster316 said:
KungKras said:
How ironic that Sega choses a Sony platform to emulate the Dreamcast. I am not pleased.


+1

Sad day in the history of Sega if they jump in bed with the "corporation" that BOUGHT their way to the top and in the process caused the demise of Sega as a Hardware developer.

Very sad day indeed.

I can't agree with it being sad when this is doing more for gamers. It's getting Sega's games in more homes and opening up all new possibilities. I know you have a deep passion for Sega, but this is going to make many gamers happy, and not just Sony/Sega fans. I can't see how that's a negative.

Very HAPPY day indeed.


I'm sure lots of people are happy CGI buddy, but i am not one of them, what also annoys me is the amount of people in here who say somthing like "Cool, i never had a Dreamcast before"

If these "I never had a Dreamcast before" people were not there to support Sega back then, they shouldn't get the cream of Sega's games now.

 


Wow.

This is why Sega is no longer a console company anymore.

Stuff like this near sighted. Stupid business decisions is the reason Sega is no longer around in the console business.

Sony was smarter back then. They fell into the same arrogant stupid mental state for the first 2 years of the PS3's life, but Have obviously fought through it.



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Tridrakious said:


That is true. Sony Computer Entertainment has lost money the past 2 years. Seeing a slight profit coming out of the last quarter of their previous FY and Sony as a whole lost money last year, but this would be a move that would benefit Sony and stockholders.

Getting Sega's properies exclusive to Playstation platforms.

And besides Sega isn't in as bad a shape as they have been in the past few years. Valkyria Chronicles sold decently. Phantasy Star Portable has sold very well and is getting a sequel.

This move by putting the Dreamcast games on the Playstation platforms would bring in some money for both Sony and Sega.

Sega properties are not selling well though. The place where it is selling highest is on the Wii. And Sony has lost a whole lot of money in the games division the last few years. Sega is not a small studio either. They are a major publisher. It would probably take a close to a billion to get them. Given the performance of the game in general it is not a good move. Yes, VC was profitable, but it isn't a break out title. Its good enough to put faith in a sequel of the series, but they are not confident they could pull a profit with it on the PS3 even though the engine already exists.

This is only looking at it from Sony's perspective mind you. Sega stockholders would fight it kicking and screaming. Most of their success has come from the Wii and DS. Look at how unbelievably successful Mario and Sonic at the Olympics is. The series is essentially a money printing machine that you lose. Sonic games have done much better on the Wii as well. Despite having two seperate series, they are both selling at better rates than what you see on the PS3. This all means Sony would have to spend way more than the company could possibly bring in.

This hurts Sega due to loss of profit from a few series (one of which cannot transfer), lower sales, and loss of independance. Sony would have to spend so much more than they could make back that it would be ridiculous. When the company is barely profitable, and most of the profits come from competing platforms you have to go way out of your way to make shareholders want to sell to you. It really would be a lose/lose proposition. Especially considering Sega is still willing to work with Sony to get stuff like Dreamcast titles on PSN and the like.



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Tridrakious said:
Ronster316 said:
KungKras said:
How ironic that Sega choses a Sony platform to emulate the Dreamcast. I am not pleased.


+1

Sad day in the history of Sega if they jump in bed with the "corporation" that BOUGHT their way to the top and in the process caused the demise of Sega as a Hardware developer.

Very sad day indeed.


Now wait a minute. Sega was in terrible shape going into the Dreamcast. It was a fun console, but Sega's management was terrible.

The Japanese and American divisions were always fighting. The system might have survived had they been on the same page, but they weren't.

Bad decisions with the 32X, Saturn, Nomad and Dreamcast led them to a weak end.

They trying to support the Genesis til 1998. At the same time of having multiple systems on the market. They had no real leadership and lost sight of where to go.


I'm at work right now, so i don't have my History of the Famicom-Playstation document with me.

Sure, Sega made some bad decisions, but unlike Sony, they didn't have BILLIONS OF $$$$$$$$ to sweep their mistakes under the carpet with.

If you don't think that Sonys financial and advertising muscle had somthing to do with Segas demise then you are wrong.

I'm not posting in here anymore, all Sega/Sony threads make my blood boil.



dobby985 said:
Tridrakious said:
Ronster316 said:
KungKras said:
How ironic that Sega choses a Sony platform to emulate the Dreamcast. I am not pleased.


+1

Sad day in the history of Sega if they jump in bed with the "corporation" that BOUGHT their way to the top and in the process caused the demise of Sega as a Hardware developer.

Very sad day indeed.


Now wait a minute. Sega was in terrible shape going into the Dreamcast. It was a fun console, but Sega's management was terrible.

The Japanese and American divisions were always fighting. The system might have survived had they been on the same page, but they weren't.

Bad decisions with the 32X, Saturn, Nomad and Dreamcast led them to a weak end.

They trying to support the Genesis til 1998. At the same time of having multiple systems on the market. They had no real leadership and lost sight of where to go.

Exactly, they were never cut out to make hardware.

If the Dreamcast had lived it would've had no 3rd party support as the game disks were too small and the controller didn't have enough buttons.

I actually liked the controller, but that's a different story.



Ronster316 said:
Tridrakious said:
Ronster316 said:
KungKras said:
How ironic that Sega choses a Sony platform to emulate the Dreamcast. I am not pleased.


+1

Sad day in the history of Sega if they jump in bed with the "corporation" that BOUGHT their way to the top and in the process caused the demise of Sega as a Hardware developer.

Very sad day indeed.


Now wait a minute. Sega was in terrible shape going into the Dreamcast. It was a fun console, but Sega's management was terrible.

The Japanese and American divisions were always fighting. The system might have survived had they been on the same page, but they weren't.

Bad decisions with the 32X, Saturn, Nomad and Dreamcast led them to a weak end.

They trying to support the Genesis til 1998. At the same time of having multiple systems on the market. They had no real leadership and lost sight of where to go.


I'm at work right now, so i don't have my History of the Famicom-Playstation document with me.

Sure, Sega made some bad decisions, but unlike Sony, they didn't have BILLIONS OF $$$$$$$$ to sweep their mistakes under the carpet with.

If you don't think that Sonys financial and advertising muscle had somthing to do with Segas demise then you are wrong.

I'm not posting in here anymore, all Sega/Sony threads make my blood boil.


Sony had those billions because they were smart. Yes Sony had a hand in the demise of the Dreamcast.

But Sega as a whole was in terrible shape before the Dreamcast launched. Sega was looking at this console to be the savior for them, but the same management problems led to it's demise as well.



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News like this makes me so happy.

Great news for SEGA, SEGA fans and Sony



                            

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Sorry, but I have to agree with Gnizmo. I think everyone here is celebrating the wrong thing, and you're all going to find out that you're very wrong about what you think they mean. And I said it first, everyone just ignored it=P

Did anyone even see the Sonic Collection for $99, right after they mention the Dreamcast games? Hello??? Anyone??? It's OBVIOUSLY a Dreamcast compilation. What other console compilation will it be? Sega Master system? Sega CD? Wouldn't be $99. If they can fit, say, 20 or so hit exclusive Dreamcast games on Blu-Ray disc (or multiple discs would be my guess based on the amount), who wouldn't buy that for $99? I most likely would, I can tell you that.

PS2 emulation is something I've been saying they'll be bringing back ever since SONY said they aren't going to bring it back. Check the thread where that was announced..but Dreamcast emulation is a figment of your dreams. Be good with a Dreamcast compilation on Blu-Ray, cuz I'll make a bet that that's all you're going to get.



steverhcp02 said:
KungKras said:
CGI-Quality said:
KungKras said:
How ironic that Sega choses a Sony platform to emulate the Dreamcast. I am not pleased.

Why not?

because hype for a Sony console was one of the reasons that the dreamcast died

No. hype did nothing. The fact the PS2 was more desirable with a DVD player and Sony had earned a reputation from the PS1 whereas sega screwed the pooch with the sega CD and sega saturn and sega didnt manufacture enough Dreamcasts upon launch and keep supply up for demand are why the dreamcast failed.

Sega is to blame, no one else. sorry. You put out 2 terriblely received consoles before the dreamcast, you dont make enough product to sell and keep people happy and the product penetration up and consant combined with tech that was inferier (no dvd) is how the dreamcast fell from grace.

That's right, Sega earned a great reputation with the Megadrive/Genesis, and they ruined it with 2 failed add-ons (CD & 32x) and a console with a lot of problems (Saturn), I remember devs complaining about 1: Using quadrilaterals instead of triangles, 2: Not being able to handle both chips, 3: Reading issues, 4: Sega pulled the plug waay too early like with the previous add-ons so devs went berserk at this point...

Dreamcast is a genius console with great games, but between the ruined reputation, the piracy issues and shortage problems, (not to mention that they did almost the same thing that Ninty did with the 1.5 GB minidisc) no wonder they failed...



Tridrakious said:


Sony had those billions because they were smart. Yes Sony had a hand in the demise of the Dreamcast.

But Sega as a whole was in terrible shape before the Dreamcast launched. Sega was looking at this console to be the savior for them, but the same management problems led to it's demise as well.

Sony had those billions because they are a huge corporation. About one hundred times as big as Sega.



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