I meant to be successful saleswise.

Now, sure, those games were successful saleswise, but they were also very highly touted, and had great legs, and either amazing reviews, or great word of mouth from the Sony community, and/or no competition in the genre.

Killzone 2 had all of those things, and its sales have been unfortunate. It might as well have been a new IP.

Can a game pull a couple million off as a new IP?

Oh hell yeah.

It just better be LBP, the most hyped game of all time, and "huge" or Uncharted, which launched when there was nothing else to play on the console, and which still sells to this day, due to unbelievable post launch hype and word of mouth.

Still, would you consider those sales "good?"

Do you think mediocre means "bad?"

If the game isn't good, it's going to flop, and if it is great, it'll still probably only perform ok. The PS3 and the Wii, have a hard time launching new IPs to successful sales.

I might be wrong. I'm not a big sales guy. It just seems like the big PS3 hyped games always kinda flop at launch, saleswise. Multiplats sell great though. Maybe that'll help FFXIII.

Fable II wasn't as good to me as Fable I, our good ol' boy Peter has lost it imo, can't blame me for thinking something like Fallout 3, Mass Effect(or anything Bioware has done,) are miles ahead in terms of being a RPG game. I still remember the days of Black and White when he did great things during the times of the past, but lately, he's nothing but full of shit.

I stopped paying for XBL, and eventually sold my 360, but I still have my PC, my PS3, and my Wii, it's crap to me because A.) money to play online, B.) the games I really want to play are also, or going to be, on PC, C.) I'm lucky and didn't get RRoD yet since I don't use it much to start with so I better get rid of that thing fast, D.) I'm sick and tired of playing the same type of games all the time when they are all evolution, not revolution, and finally, since it doesn't have blu ray, I don't even have a legit side reason to keep it since I can run netflix on my MPC down stairs on a big LCD TV. Don't get me wrong here, it's only crap to me, it's one of the options that maybe some other people would take and many will not, I'm more of a realist, I have no loyalty to any brand, if I think something is crap and not worth my money, I'll get rid of it.

no, I'm not exactly new here anymore, I have no reason to lie about things like that, I simply don't use the 360 anymore because nothing interests me on it at this point in time and I'm also a PC gamer which greatly dimishes the justification of having a 360 as a doorstop and is not fair to it, that thing should be used, so I sold it, and somebody will now use it, which makes me feel better about it.

yes, the DS is awesome, and I'm so happy it's not dead, because I think DSi is a rip off yet I don't want to buy another DS so this saves me the money to get a PSP later down the road.

I'm just sharing my experience, that's why I said "to me" in the first place, don't misunderstand it as a console war, it's just a more realistic view of my situation in my life, which doesn't apply to everybody.

Anything above 2 million for a new IP is good no matter what the console is.

And you just called LBP the most hyped game of all time...

What new IP's other than Gears has the 360 then sold "good" in your opinion?

So no, i dont agree.

Each has Great Exclusives. Two of my Favorites Right Now : Killzone 2 and Little Big Planet is a Ton of Fun even a year Later. Resistance is good though not Quite Halo... MAG (256 Players) is AWESOME coming in 2010. I cannot say how I know that... You would think I was under a Non-Disclosure Agreement or Something... But any of you on the Fence about getting a PS3 even if you own a 360, this Game is Off the Hook Crazy Fun. You'll Learn Quick not to be a Lone-Wolf (if you're not Sniping) when you get to a Anti-Aircraft Battery and you walk into an Area defended by 30 Guys or More!!! There is Really nothing Like it except for Battlefront 2142 for the PC (128 Players)

I own PS3, Wii and 360. My 360 has Red Ringed 3 Times which makes it my least Favorite. Not to Mention that we are a Gaming Family. So we have the Choice to Share 1 Profile at $50 per year or Buy 4 Profiles at $200 a year. Yep, you guessed it... We Share one... The Buddy List is WORTHLESS when you share 1 Profile. So from that Point of View NOBODY can tell me XBox Live is Better. Unlike most who "Claim" to have a PS3 try to tell me Live is Worth $50 a year. You are wrong and you are lying. I use both Systems and PSN works Great. Wii online is pretty much non-existent... But that System is more of a 4 Players in the Room type System which is Fun even thought the Graphics Blooooooow...

If you List off the PS3 Exclusives all Fanboyish as you have here with Pictures, I'm sure it will look quite impressive too.

I've Played Forza and Gran Turismo is Usual Better in my Opinion. GT5 looks to continue this by adding Nascar, Damage (Finally). Not that Forza is Bad. If you only own a 360 you won't be upset by no means. But I believe Microsoft Made Forza Because they could not have Gran Turismo. Just as Sony has Games Like Resistance and Killzone because they cannot have Halo.

My Favorite 360 exclusive is "How Long will this Piece Run before I need another Repair" and with my System out of the 3 year RROD warranty period it is NOT a mute point as sooo many Fanboys pointed out to "Excuse" the Failures as a non-issue.

So Now we buy ALL Multi-Platform for PS3. A small handful for our Wii... and for the 360 the List is Short. Halo 3, HaloWars, Halo 3 ODST, Halo Reach. Hence why we have dubbed our 360 "HaloBox360"

I'm not a Fanboy... I'm Just a Microsoft Hater... There's a difference.

Well, I never said the 360 was amazing at launching new IPs. I just said it wasn't bad.

Also, on this forum, LBP was the most hyped game of all time. The phrase "LBP will be huge" was serious and iconic.

And yes, due to marketing, and its marketing power in trendsetting areas, I do think the 360 would be good at launching new IPs, assuming they use marketing power.

Also, I did say that LBP and Uncharted were successful saleswise.

Crackdown sold pretty well to be a non-hyped game. So did Gears of War, but it was hyped. Left 4 Dead sold great on the console, as well as PC. Shadow Complex has quickly became one of the top selling XBLA games. GRAW sold over 2 million and spawned a sequel.

Those games launched pretty well on the Xbox.

There have been a number of notable flops on the PS3 that despite selling well, did underperform. The only new IP I can think of on the PS3 that really blew the roof off the joint were early titles that were pretty much staples in the library of most early PS3 owners. Resistance and Uncharted, to name a couple.

Maybe it's just a misconception by me.

I think that I should put it this way.

I don't think that the PS3's software sales are generally any worse than the 360s.

Instead, I think that new IPs and sequels are adopted quickly by the mass audience, due to Microsoft's marketing power, and the nature of XBL.

Sony sells the software to games that people know about, but has a hard time informing people about new games that aren't already popular, instead having to rely on its fan community to spread the word. AKA Viral Marketing. Which works, but just not as good as real marketing.

So, you get stuff like Killzone 2 selling under 2m copies. That is Sony's failure.

All the games you mentioned are at less sales than Uncharted. I dont get how Uncharted is classed as mediocre for PS3, but you include these as "good" sellers for 360. Maybe i misunderstood your post...

I'm not sure if I said this, but Uncharted was successful in sales, not mediocre. Sure didn't hit anything out of the ballpark, and is a far more famous game worldwide than any of those I mentioned on the 360, except for L4D, which is also on PC.

Also, KZ2's sales are dissapointing, imho. It was supposed to be a major game. It was much more anticipated than, for isntance, GRAW, or Crackdown, yet it barely managed to outsell those games, if at all.

Sure, there are new IP flops by the dozens on all consoles, but the GOOD, HYPED games usually perform excellently on the 360, and average to below average on the PS3.

Sales for staple games are great on the console, but sales for the best exclusives haven't been what's keeping the PS3 alive, unlike the Wii and 360.

Also, lol, lets stop the segment by segment analysis type retorts, and get back to simple replies.

If you disagree, perhaps you can explain why the 360 exclusives blow up the charts, and the PS3 exclusives are largely lackluster, coming in at expected or below expected sales figures?

Also, speculate if this trend will continue.

Yes, I agree, you were right for apology.

What's to bet, assuming GT5 is 09, that the 360 exclusives are as, or more, highly reviewed as the PS3 list, and sell at least double the units of software?

The Xbox 360's 2010 lineup is amazing. I cannot wait for all the quality games that come out.

No. PS3's line up blows Xbox's out of the water. 

PS3 has :

-God of War 3

-GT5

-AGENT

-Demon Souls

-MAG

-Quantum (Gears rip off but looks better)

-Final Fantasy 13 Versus

-Final Fantasy 14 (might be multiplat)

-Heavy Rain

-DC Universe Online

-Unannounced game believed to be Twisted Metal

-Modnation Racers

-The Last Guardian

-Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2

-White Knight Chronicles

-Yakuza 3

-WarDevil: Enigma