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You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.



pokoko said:
You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.


It seems he's back in the title picture as well.



pokoko said:
You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.

I agree with you here on all points, but there's one counter-point:  as predictable as he may be, he is regularly involved in Match of the Night contenders.  Ever since he did the US Open Challenge, he has been putting on stellar match after stellar match.  Sami Zayn, Cesaro, Kevin Owens, NEville, etc. Sure, all of those opponents are phenomenal wrestlers, but clearly he's just as involved as they are.  

I'm okay with Cena having that place in the roster.  It makes it all the more special when he DOES lose.  Owens beating him put Owens in the picture nearly immediately. Cena may have won in the end, but Owens still got a rub from it.  Cesaro still got a rub from it.  Neville and Zayn both got rubs from it.  Wonderful stuff, really.  You just have to look at it from the right angle. 



pokoko said:
You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.


I probably would have argued with this until John Cena got into a thing with Rollins last night.  I was fine with Cena winning on the midcard, but I have no interest in seeing him fight Rollins.  They've made Rollins look so weak recently, and a feud with Cena could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.  Hopefully it will become a triple threat, fatal four way, or sommething.



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Everything the WWE does that doesn't involve Sting makes me feel apathetic right now.

Even Taker and Lesnar aren't making me feel all that engaged. Probably because the WWE refuses to keep a consistent story line going, or if they do, it never pushes the envelope, or if it starts to push the envelope they drop it.

There's never any finality any more, just obscure segues.



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Runa216 said:

I agree with you here on all points, but there's one counter-point:  as predictable as he may be, he is regularly involved in Match of the Night contenders.  Ever since he did the US Open Challenge, he has been putting on stellar match after stellar match.  Sami Zayn, Cesaro, Kevin Owens, NEville, etc. Sure, all of those opponents are phenomenal wrestlers, but clearly he's just as involved as they are.  

I'm okay with Cena having that place in the roster.  It makes it all the more special when he DOES lose.  Owens beating him put Owens in the picture nearly immediately. Cena may have won in the end, but Owens still got a rub from it.  Cesaro still got a rub from it.  Neville and Zayn both got rubs from it.  Wonderful stuff, really.  You just have to look at it from the right angle. 

Cena is good in the ring.  I've been saying that since they gave him a bit of freedom against Punk.  Still, I think it's valid to say that he almost never elevates his opponent, which is what separates him from the best.  He has bad matches against bad opponents, good matches against good opponents.  I know people have been talking about Cena for Wrestler of the Year but what makes me uncomfortable with that is that I never once thought, in any of those matches you mentioned, that he had the best performance.  I'm not blaming him for that, not at all, as it was really his job to let the others showcase their skills, but that doesn't really change anything.

It's almost like when a particular actor gets a role intended to help them win an Oscar.  Why has Cena been having the best matches in the WWE week after week?  Who else has had that much dedicated time in the ring?  Who else has had that calibur of opponents?  What if we did the same thing with Orton?  What if we did the same thing with Rollins?  

That's not really the point, though.  I've liked the open challenges, as well.  The thing is, nothing changes.  Owens beat him once?  Eh, Cena still won.  Owens hit that glass ceiling we call John Cena, now it's time to settle into the mid-card.

I'm just tired of that cycle.  The WWE actually has an absolute ton of talent.  Why is most of it in a perpetual holding pattern while Cena, at guy I've seen a million times, gets more time each week than most of the remainder of the roster combined?



JWeinCom said:


I probably would have argued with this until John Cena got into a thing with Rollins last night.  I was fine with Cena winning on the midcard, but I have no interest in seeing him fight Rollins.  They've made Rollins look so weak recently, and a feud with Cena could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.  Hopefully it will become a triple threat, fatal four way, or sommething.

The whole sequence was John Cena saying the US belt is above the HWC because HE is the one holding it.  It made Rollins look like nothing.

The proper thing to do in this situation would be to have Rollins destroy Cena, without help, and "injure" him to the point that he could win clean.  That would make him look strong and dangerous, which would give him some much needed credibility as the supposed top heel.  

But ratings are down and supposedly Cena's merch sales have fallen.  I think we know what that means.



What the hell is going on with Hulk Hogan and WWE??



http://www.si.com/more-sports/2015/07/24/wwe-hulk-hogan-removed-wrestling-website

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=32663576&sid=75

Hulk Hogan got fired from wwe, reports say it's because some racial insults he said 8 years ago