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NJ5 said:

Diomedes1976 said:

in Europe BR has already got 81% of the market and 91% in Asia .....


I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that no one cares about HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray in those places? Hence making the only people who have one of these formats being most likely a PS3 owner?

I'm not stating this as a fact, just wondering...

 


It has 91% market in Japan specifically, and HDTV adoption is much higher there than it is in the States.  Blu-Ray was released in Japan long before HD DVD was even finished, though in cartridge form:

 

The substantial lead Blu-Ray holds in Japan is the key reason why I think Blu-Ray will prevail in the format war.



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ChronotriggerJM said:

Well I've mentioned in a forum elswhere that the current "High Def Pinnicle" is Pirates of the Caribean one and 2, both of the movies reach bitrates at which HD-DVD physically CANNOT reach. They are supposed to be the BEST you can buy on disk at the moment. Not to mention both leave plenty of room for extas and top knotch audio. The basic movie produced by company's that support both wont look all that much better usually. Up until recently they were both encoded with the same format used to transfer to HD-DVD (the lower space format of the two) to save on production costs (reminds me of something else :P ) however, thats been dropping off pretty quickly and the bluray versions have been encoded with a much better format. And as I said earlier in this thread, King Kong was the prime example of a long movie hitting its limits. They coulden't do both, they had to sacrifice the audio for the picture, and in terms of me wanting a High Def movie, I don't want to sacrifice anything.

I just think people weighing out things like "well this is good enough" is a horrible way to spend money, since when was "good enough" actually good enough? I mean when I buy something, I want the best money/product ratio I can find. If I'm going to shell out money for a good entertainment setup I want something that will satisfy my current needs and anything that I might need in the next few years.

And @ Omac, if thats what you feel is important about your HD movie by all means :D I just dont feel like shelling out extra for a Combo disk... with the extra price and lower reliability I'd rather just get the Bluray.

The higher bitrates of Blu-Ray are the key difference between the formats. Codec doesn't matter. Blu-Rays bitrates were maxed out with PotC, as you said, and they have the best PQ and AQ of all the HD media currently on the market.  Since PotC maxed out the bitrates, they could not be done in their current form on HD  DVD.  It wouldn't look near as good, most likely having slight grain and pixelation.

 



HD DVD is outselling the ps3? B$



 

mM
Louie said:
I´m just gonna say: HD DVD is gonna win.

You know why? Those people who buy Blu-Ray players now are tech freaks and hardcore gamers (PS3). The usual consumer isn´t interested in bigger space or better technologies - he buys the cheaper option.

The same thing happened to Beta: It was more advanced, but VHS was cheaper. Mark my words guys, HD DVD is gonna make it.

My bet is also on HD DVD, but the ultimate decision will be brought about by the movie studios.
For example, if Warner takes side with one camp, this will be a huge step towards the end of the war. I expected them to become exclusive before christmas which is obviously not gonna happen anymore. If the current distribution in terms of studio support doesn't change within a sensible amount of time, we might end up with a stalemate.



Hd dvd has no chance in winning anything.



 

mM
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makingmusic476 said:
NJ5 said:

Diomedes1976 said:

in Europe BR has already got 81% of the market and 91% in Asia .....


I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that no one cares about HD-DVD nor Blu-Ray in those places? Hence making the only people who have one of these formats being most likely a PS3 owner?

I'm not stating this as a fact, just wondering...

 


It has 91% market in Japan specifically, and HDTV adoption is much higher there than it is in the States. Blu-Ray was released in Japan long before HD DVD was even finished, though in cartridge form:

The substantial lead Blu-Ray holds in Japan is the key reason why I think Blu-Ray will prevail in the format war.


The Japanese movie industry is way less important than its video game counterpart, so I don't think the situation there will have much influence on the overall outcome of the format war. Blu-ray does have an advantage in the data storage sector though (HD DVD burners do not seem to be even available yet).



I might have to pick up an HD-DVD player if this is the case. If HD-DVD doesn't take the throne of formats, HD-MVD (Red-Ray) probably will, so I'll wait just a bit longer to see which one of those two prevails.



leo-j said:
Hd dvd has no chance in winning anything.

I smell a lot of denial in this statement, but at the moment it makes little sense to argue about whose chances are better or worse. However, imho at the moment HD DVD is in the best position it has ever been in since the launch of the PS3.



steverhcp02 said:
albionus said:
Kwaad said:
clandecyon said:
This holiday is going to be a big step toward the end of the format war. HD DVD has Paramount/Dreamworks on its back now and a player that is only $179 out for the holidays. Quality is near identical and HD DVD discs are less expensive with somewhat better menus. With Sony's PS3 woes and Blu-ray cost, storage capacity aside, looks like it could go either way.

Your right, but the problem is, there are I think, dont quote me, under 1million stand alone HD players... worldwide, BOTH formats.

 

I dont care what HD-DVD does, unless they get to mass market (sub 100$USD) and BluRay is still above 300$, then they might have a chance. But it's not gonna happen. BluRay is slated to win this war already. If the PS3 was the only BluRay player, I would still say, Bluray has already won.


Hey its kwaad. So now that BR isn't leading HDDVD like it used to it's all irrelevant now because the market is so small. Isn't that what more sane less Sony fanboyish people were saying back when BR supporters were dancing on HDDVD's grave a couple months ago? I'll agree with you this time, it doesn't matter much. When annual HDDVD+BR movie sales can surpass the single day sales of major DVD titles then we can maybe talk about which is ahead.

wtf are you talking about, months ago the SAL ratio was worse (see my above post for some actual FACTS why dont you) BD supporters have been chiming in that teh PS3 factor is real and thats hwy we see increased software ratios, yet Toshiba and HD DVD liek to leave the PS3 out as if its a non factor.

the general public never even KNEW that BD SAL's took over the ratio until today when the DVD forum announed HD DVD "regained" the lead. You have no ****** clue what youre talking about, you just want to try to jump on the bandwagon here and try to belittle kwadd and hat eon Sony, its funny because you have NO IDEA what youre even argueing, all you know is that its cool to make fun of the PS3, BD and Sony here so you jump all over it.

Youre argueing that this news is GOOD for HD DVD when the announced ratio have DECREASED since april DRAMATICALLY...youre oblivious and its realy really sad/funny.

Bleh, unfortunately I already had to deal with a convoluted mess of a post from someone else earlier today so I'm in no mood for a second.   Especially since my tolerance for forum posters who can't articulate their thoughts without using expletives or references to expletives.

I will be forgiving enough to point out that I have always said Sony's claims of total movie format dominance were absurd.  You seem to be relatively new so go back to the April/May/June BR threads when Sony was trying to convince itself and everyone else that BR had already won to see that I've always said until the HD market gets into the 5-10% range of the market it's pointless arguing who is leading by 10% or 3:1 or whatever.



as it stands, to me support either blu-ray or hd-dvd seems completely pointless. You pay $250-$700+ for a player and you only get to watch a certain fraction of new movies in HD that come out. this is completely absurd as any joe sixpack can watch every movie available on BRD or HDDVD as it is also on dvd with his $15 dvd player, albeit not in HD.

every HD movie i watch at home is downloaded, converted and streamed to my ps3. until movie prices come down and selection is greatly increased i will simply watch hd dvd and blu ray rips.



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