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Kantor said:
FayeC said:
Kantor said:
Piracy is the equivalent of repeatedly breaking into a movie theater without paying.

Not really. You take up a seat in that theater. Or at the very least, you take up space in it. Game Piracy doesnt work that way. They only thing that is "taken" is the user's desire to purchase the software, a desire that no one can prove existed to begin with!

Very well, getting onto a plane, sitting in the cargo hold (there's plenty of room left over), and saying "I wouldn't have flown on this plane if I had to pay!"

But by taking up space, you are taking up a resource that could be used elsewhere. It more like using a different lower cost method to get to your destination instead of buying a plane ticket. Pirated software is a rival good. A very good rival good since the product is at least as good, and at a far better price.



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Intellectual property is a joke. Your ideas belong not only to you but the world and society that helped create you. Without them you wouldn't live let alone be able to file some silly patent and make your life better at the expense of others.



vlad321 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Piracy is a form of theft you are stealing their intellectual property even if you are not stealing a physical copy of the disc. Now as for causes of it is something else entirely. The prices they charge in many cases and in many places are outrageous. When I was in Israel I saw Ratchet and Clank Future Quest for Booty in disc form for what would be the equivalent of $100 yet it's on the PSN in the US for $15. This is one clear example of a game being way over priced since its not a full game just a short one yet in Israel they would be paying the same price as they would for regular for games which is still $40 more than games are in the US

Intelletual Property is a joke. You have no idea how flawed it is.

This happened a few years ago. John Carmack, being abadass as he always is, alone comes up with some new algorith. However some other company also came up with it at basically the same time. They patented it first so Carmack kinda screwed. Please tell me oh wise person, to who does the intellectual propety belong to then?

Face it, Intellectual Property laws are a joke, and defining anything by them is also a joke.

In the case of Carmack vs the company the property clearly doesn't belong to anyone who just downloads it or copies it.  I won't deny that laws have flaws but that doesn't mean that I would think it's right for someone to download something that someone created just because they don't feel like paying for it.  Maybe they don't have the money for it.  Maybe it's way to expensive there.  Those are things that could be addressed but I do feel that the artits creaters and studios do deserev to get paid for what they make.  Just because it's something that can be so easily coppied in many cases doesn't make it right to. 

I have a psp I think there would be many more good games on it if people didn't pirate the ones that are there so much.  So I as a consumer loose out because so many out there feel it's ok for whatever reason not to pay for it.  Sony very well might have sold fewer if it wasn't so easy to pirate but then again they might have sold more if more good games were made for it and people were to buy the psp to play the games. 

By no means are the laws flawless but at what point does one draw the line between it's ok to download it for nothing vs paying for it?  I can understand why many do it.  Sometimes the prices can be crazy especially in the smaller markets, but when some come up with "well I wouldn't have bought it anyway " as an excuse to steal bugs me.  If you were interested in it enough to download it  why not check rewies ask your friends try and rent it or a demo,  wait to see if the price drops or if you can find it used.  But to blatently say never means you probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place.



I won't post my thoughts on piracy because everyone on this site knows them. I just think that those stalwart anti-piracy defenders might wanna try to live some years in a third-world country. Let's see how much you oppose piracy when what you earn isn't enough to buy a single original game




You cannot steal what does not exist. The copy of the game that a "pirate" gets does not exist until he/she creates it. As such no one has lost anything tangible at all. You can say it lost a potential sale, but that is not even close to something tangible. There for it is inaccurate and wrong to attempt to label "pirates" as thieves. Criminals, sure. But we don't call murderers thieves because they "stole" a life. Words have set meanings for a reason, and for that reason you cannot call copyright infringement theft.



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zexen_lowe said:
I won't post my thoughts on piracy because everyone on this site knows them. I just think that those stalwart anti-piracy defenders might wanna try to live some years in a third-world country. Let's see how much you oppose piracy when what you earn isn't enough to buy a single original game

I can't afford a Ferrari and want one so what should I do? 



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By no means are the laws flawless but at what point does one draw the line between it's ok to download it for nothing vs paying for it?  I can understand why many do it.  Sometimes the prices can be crazy especially in the smaller markets, but when some come up with "well I wouldn't have bought it anyway " as an excuse to steal bugs me.  If you were interested in it enough to download it  why not check rewies ask your friends try and rent it or a demo,  wait to see if the price drops or if you can find it used.  But to blatently say never means you probably shouldn't be playing it in the first place.

This doesn't make much sense to me. Surely there are things you wont try on your own dollar? Now how many of those things would you try for free? I tried carrot cake flavored ice cream today for the first time and ended up buying a pint all because someone asked if i would like to sample it.



amp316 said:
zexen_lowe said:
I won't post my thoughts on piracy because everyone on this site knows them. I just think that those stalwart anti-piracy defenders might wanna try to live some years in a third-world country. Let's see how much you oppose piracy when what you earn isn't enough to buy a single original game

I can't afford a Ferrari and want one so what should I do? 

Work in the GameDB until you can afford one?



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amp316 said:
zexen_lowe said:
I won't post my thoughts on piracy because everyone on this site knows them. I just think that those stalwart anti-piracy defenders might wanna try to live some years in a third-world country. Let's see how much you oppose piracy when what you earn isn't enough to buy a single original game

I can't afford a Ferrari and want one so what should I do? 

Well if you can manage a free one, while not taking some one else's car then I suggest you do it! If you could in fact pull a farrari out of thin air, you certainly would not need to buy one anymore, but its silly to say you stole something that would not have exisited had it not been for your own efforts.



NJ5 said:
It all depends on whether you would have bought the game if you hadn't pirated it.

This is to all of you who make the same illogical arguement.

You're still stealing the profit that could be earned. If you want to try the game out, play the demo. If you really want to play the full game

1. buy it new

2. buy it used from ebay for far less

3. get an account from one of those online renters

Basically, any time you gain a copy you did not some how pay for, you are stealing from the people who created it. There is no way around that simple fact.

If your logic held true, you could take that 60" HDTV, since you wouldn't have bought it anyways.