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tallgnome on 04 August 2009

I like steam too much



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Euphoria14 on 04 August 2009
FKNetwork said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
Euphoria14 said:
^ That is just my opinion though.

When people can get DLC with out being taxed even I'll agree

Again, just because YOU think LIVE is better than PSN doesn't make it factual.

LOL, never wrong CGI are you, take a step back and look at this thread again and you will see YOU are in the minority thinking PSN is better than Xbox Live FACT, more people in this thread prefer live over psn, live must be better then right?

and Euphoria14, you have said yourself your not even that much into online features and online games a few pages back, I would say your certainly not a person to listen to in that case if you haven't even used all the online features of BOTH xbox live and psn, sorry if this sounds harsh but its the truth, if you have used both psn and live to their full ability then sorry!

It's like me saying world of warcraft is rubbish when I have never ever played it, see where i'm going with this?

 

 

No I don't sorry.

The fact that you are trying to set prerequisites for what enables someone to have a valid opinion in here is ridiculous.

 

Sorry if it sounds harsh but it's the truth.



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dbot on 04 August 2009

Like many here, I use both services. The core online gaming (lag, latency, disconnects) is the same on Live as it is on PSN. This is to be expected with peer to peer networking. Live is better in terms of online features. The party voice chat on Live is a feature that Sony needs to implement. Also, it shouldn't be a mystery when my friends come online, or if they send me a message. Live does a nice job of notifying me of these things. Unfortunately, Live comes with a cost. I buy all of my multiplatform games on PS3, because I don't know for certain that I will pay for Live every year.

Edit: The friends status and message notification refers to when I start the system.  When I start the 360 it does a better job of giving me a friend/message status.



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

Jansky8 on 04 August 2009

I only use the PSN so I could hardly judge in all fairness. Still, the PSN keeps getting better evrey day, guess it's true for live as well... Anyway, the fact that the PSN is free makes it the better service for me.



kjj4t9rdad on 04 August 2009
JaggedSac said:
kjj4t9rdad said:
It really comes down to one thing, if you want to chat with friends and use your console as a social networking tool LIVE is better, however, if you actually want to play games PSN is better. Untill LIVE uttillises dedicated servers like Sony does, it will always be inferior IMO. Peer to Peer connections are terrible compared to dedicated servers.

That is up to the developers.  If developers want to carry the cost of dedicated servers, nothing is stopping them.

If it is up to the developers, why doesn't M$ have any?  As far as I know there is only one (Battlefield 1943) and I've only heard that it had dedicated servers, I do not know for sure.  On the other side, most, if not all the PS3 exclusives are some type of dedicated server set up.

If it is up to the developers, you LIVE members should be screaming for this.  It is so much better, if you are not getting them you are missing out on a far better network than what you are used to.  After all, you are paying for what is supposed to be a premier network service, it at least should offer more than one game with the best network set up.

 



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JaggedSac on 04 August 2009
kjj4t9rdad said:
JaggedSac said:
kjj4t9rdad said:
It really comes down to one thing, if you want to chat with friends and use your console as a social networking tool LIVE is better, however, if you actually want to play games PSN is better. Untill LIVE uttillises dedicated servers like Sony does, it will always be inferior IMO. Peer to Peer connections are terrible compared to dedicated servers.

That is up to the developers.  If developers want to carry the cost of dedicated servers, nothing is stopping them.

If it is up to the developers, why doesn't M$ have any?  As far as I know there is only one (Battlefield 1943) and I've only heard that it had dedicated servers, I do not know for sure.  On the other side, most, if not all the PS3 exclusives are some type of dedicated server set up.

If it is up to the developers, you LIVE members should be screaming for this.  It is so much better, if you are not getting them you are missing out on a far better network than what you are used to.  After all, you are paying for what is supposed to be a premier network service, it at least should offer more than one game with the best network set up.

 

Actually, I would rather have P2P.  You can read a previous post I made in this thread as to why that is.  As to why developers do not use dedicated servers, that is also answered in my post.  MS offers them a free alternative(MS sure isn't going to pay for any 3rd party dedicated servers) and provides an excellent API for helping them with their online component. 

And yes, Battlefield uses dedicated servers, hence why there is no matchmaking in that game.



S.T.A.G.E. on 04 August 2009
tallgnome said:
I like steam too much


Why do people keep babbling about steam, when we're talking about top console online? PC guys always have to stick their nose (which is already upward) anywhere their name isn't being mentioned.



JaggedSac on 04 August 2009

Not many people actually use Steam for its gaming side.  It is mostly just for downloading games.

 

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Steam Players Online Currently on the top 75 games:

       Current      Peak

  41,671 87,626   Counter-Strike: Source
  33,360 61,050   Counter-Strike
  16,776 22,842   Team Fortress 2
  12,064 17,530   Left 4 Dead
  8,657 24,648   Football Manager 2009
  5,709 10,306   Empire: Total War
  5,488 6,808   Garry's Mod
  4,333 9,302   Condition Zero
  3,900 6,280   Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II
  3,132 6,853   Day of Defeat: Source
  1,473 2,604   Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
  1,236 1,911   Half-Life 2
  1,121 1,405   Killing Floor
  1,041 1,872   Day of Defeat
  939 1,131   Fallout 3
  889 1,062   Plants Vs Zombies
  782 1,225   America's Army 3
  538 839   Zombie Panic! Source
  514 704   Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
  495 616   Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor
  475 584   Portal
  450 475   Worldwide Soccer Manager 2009
  436 523   Call of Duty: World at War
  423 524   ARMA 2
  419 737   Insurgency
  411 679   Half-Life 2: Episode Two
  392 667   TrackMania Nations Forever
  383 565   Company of Heroes
  365 454   Grand Theft Auto IV
  355 440   Mount and Blade
  341 414   EVE Online Demo
  334 439   Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
  333 398   Street Fighter IV
  328 742   F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin
  324 411   EVE Online
  301 358   Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword
  287 476   Half-Life 2: Episode One
  281 327   Team Fortress Classic
  277 369   X3: Terran Conflict
  267 391   Half-Life
  260 312   Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition
  250 858   Red Orchestra
  247 369   Darkest Hour
  244 272   Mass Effect
  241 556   NBA 2K9
  229 359   Age of Chivalry
  226 728   RACE 07
  221 427   The Last Remnant
  212 246   Titan Quest: Immortal Throne
  194 512   Saints Row 2
  180 216   Dawn of Discovery
  175 227   Rome: Total War Gold
  171 231   Unreal Tournament 3
  159 236   Audiosurf
  154 406   The Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition
  153 232   Men of War
  143 200   TrackMania United Forever
  141 142   Defense Grid: The Awakening
  133 214   Synergy
  132 203   Dawn of War: Soulstorm
  131 170   Sid Meier's Civilization IV
  131 160   Peggle Deluxe
  123 251   ARMA 2
  120 152   Bioshock
  119 131   Far Cry 2
  116 169   Dawn of War: Dark Crusade
  111 163   ARMA 2 Demo
  107 199   GRID
  103 130   Sword of the Stars: Ultimate Collection
  102 142   Prototype
  102 130   Medieval II: Total War
  96 130   Opposing Force
  84 133   Mount and Blade Demo
  84 113   Hearts of Iron 2 Complete Pack
  80 237   Football Manager 2009 Korean
156,774

 

http://www.bungie.net/

  • Halo 3 Players Online:
    157,363

 

41,671 87,626   Counter-Strike: Source
  33,360 61,050   Counter-Strike
  16,776 22,842   Team Fortress 2
  12,064 17,530   Left 4 Dead
  8,657 24,648   Football Manager 2009
  5,709 10,306   Empire: Total War
  5,488 6,808   Garry's Mod
  4,333 9,302   Condition Zero
  3,900 6,280   Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War II
  3,132 6,853   Day of Defeat: Source
  1,473 2,604   Half-Life 2: Deathmatch
  1,236 1,911   Half-Life 2
  1,121 1,405   Killing Floor
  1,041 1,872   Day of Defeat
  939 1,131   Fallout 3
  889 1,062   Plants Vs Zombies
  782 1,225   America's Army 3
  538 839   Zombie Panic! Source
  514 704   Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
  495 616   Company of Heroes: Tales of Valor
  475 584   Portal
  450 475   Worldwide Soccer Manager 2009
  436 523   Call of Duty: World at War
  423 524   ARMA 2
  419 737   Insurgency
  411 679   Half-Life 2: Episode Two
  392 667   TrackMania Nations Forever
  383 565   Company of Heroes
  365 454   Grand Theft Auto IV
  355 440   Mount and Blade
  341 414   EVE Online Demo
  334 439   Company of Heroes: Opposing Fronts
  333 398   Street Fighter IV
  328 742   F.E.A.R. 2: Project Origin
  324 411   EVE Online
  301 358   Sid Meier's Civilization IV: Beyond the Sword
  287 476   Half-Life 2: Episode One
  281 327   Team Fortress Classic
  277 369   X3: Terran Conflict
  267 391   Half-Life
  260 312   Oblivion: Game of the Year Edition
  250 858   Red Orchestra
  247 369   Darkest Hour
  244 272   Mass Effect
  241 556   NBA 2K9
  229 359   Age of Chivalry
  226 728   RACE 07
  221 427   The Last Remnant
  212 246   Titan Quest: Immortal Throne
  194 512   Saints Row 2
  180 216   Dawn of Discovery
  175 227   Rome: Total War Gold
  171 231   Unreal Tournament 3
  159 236   Audiosurf
  154 406   The Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition
  153 232   Men of War
  143 200   TrackMania United Forever
  141 142   Defense Grid: The Awakening
  133 214   Synergy
  132 203   Dawn of War: Soulstorm
  131 170   Sid Meier's Civilization IV
  131 160   Peggle Deluxe
  123 251   ARMA 2
  120 152   Bioshock
  119 131   Far Cry 2
  116 169   Dawn of War: Dark Crusade
  111 163   ARMA 2 Demo
  107 199   GRID
  103 130   Sword of the Stars: Ultimate Collection
  102 142   Prototype
  102 130   Medieval II: Total War
  96 130   Opposing Force
  84 133   Mount and Blade Demo
  84 113   Hearts of Iron 2 Complete Pack
  80 237   Football Manager 2009 Korean














Zizzla_Rachet on 04 August 2009
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
PullusPardus said:
man, i hate these my Dick vs your Cock fights they're so childish and stupid.
there i said it!! and i don't care.

Although I wouldn't have put it as harshly, , I agree with your point Pullus. It's an OPINION people, you either like one, the other, or neither. There are no right or wrong answers in here.

This is what happens when people post in absolutes i.e: "LIVE is better, no question" or "PSN is the greatest because it is". It's pretty ridiculous since neither is factual.


Things are factual when you bring offerings and proof to the table.

Some of the offereings of LIVE people don't care for, and the same goes with PSN. However...

PSN: HOME, VidZone, Web Browser, TV/Movie download service

Games: Fat Princess, Wipeout HD, Flower, Pixel Junk series, SIREN: Blood Curse, Tekken 5: DR etc, etc...

Xbox Live: In-Game voice chat, Cross Game Invite, Voice Messaging, Party Chat, Netflix, Media Center

Games: Braid (also coming to PSN), Castle Crashers (also coming to PSN), UNO, Paperboy, Geometry Wars...I buy less games on XBLA, so I know of less exclusives for it.

@ Zizzla

Now, I've listed the features but it doesn't change anything. How have I posted one-sided, what did I leave out? At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what I post, people will like what they like, nothing you can do about it. And by the way, when did I say I chose one service COMPLETELY over the other? I said there are aspects of PSN I like over LIVE and vice versa. READ what I post.

Nothing you, or S.T.A.G.E. said for that matter, proves factual. As with me, you have an opinion, that is all. I don't see how people's opinions of either can be wrong. The only thing I see wrong is posters telling other posters that they're wrong for believing PSN is superior to LIVE. That's preposterous because not everyone has to like what you like, or what you perceive as better.

I don't particularly like repeating myself but I'm really trying to make my point clear.

Home...I don't know If XBL needs that...

VidZone..Is that like Netflix?...Please elaborate....

Ok...A web Browser...Not bad...

The Games....What ever...I don't want to get into that..

Xbox Live has TV/Movie downloads....

And the rest is your usual *Holding Down* Sony...



 



Zizzla_Rachet on 04 August 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Zizzla_Rachet said:
CGI-Quality said:
Cryoakira said:
Euphoria14 said:
I am just giving a point of view from someone in my position


(!! this is not an attack !!)

But isen't that the "problem". I may be wrong but the topic is about which online service is better, not "which one do you like the most according to your needs".

It's not a matter of use but rather features, like voice chat, Home, demos for all arcade games, dedicated server...

Right now, I think the Live is still above and moving in the right direction (social networking, free games...), minus those damn ads.

Right. LIVE is better in YOUR OPINION. The "problem" is, people post in absolutes and that's what he's getting at. It's irrelevant if you, or I think LIVE is better, he prefers PSN, which is why this is all opinionated.

My God, I can't believe I've had to post this so many times.

I think Cryoakira is right...It's not about Opinion...It's about Features...Live has features PSN has yet to implement...And PSN taxes DLC...Plus it cost 3rd parties money to support it...

Point? PSN has features, games, services LIVE does not. So what, it's still an opinion if someone likes PSN over LIVE and vice versa. It isn't factual that LIVE is greater/better than PSN or vice versa. Yes, it IS an opinion, not a fact.

Why can't people accept that?

Ok..The Web Browser....Besides that What features....Home?

Becuase your trying to defend PSN...And Not actually comparing the services....

And my Point is....That PSN does not have better feature than XBL...It's not my opinion...When Sony themselves say "Were no longer that much behind XBL" Is there more to disscuss?

With NetFlix and When last FM,Facebook rolls in....

You still have proven that everything you're posting is subjective, not factual. What I feel for PSN is irrelevant, what you feel for LIVE is irrelevant. Besides, if you actually read my posts, you'd see that I have defended people's right to be subjective. Not so much the services, per se...

This is what you're having a hard time understanding, that not everyone's opinion are the same, and everyone doesn't share your opinion that LIVE is better than PSN. You can't go around proclaiming that YOU thinking LIVE is better than PSN makes it factual, that's not realistic.

To end, I like LIVE's communications set up better. I prefer PSN's HOME, PSN games better. Does this prove that either is better than the other, no, because there are plenty of people who agree and disagree with me. Therefore, it's an opinion, not fact. Deal with it dude...

Btw, Sony didn't say that they thought LIVE was better than their service either, as you're implying. Why would they?

All you do is tell people that they should post unbaised and then disagree with them...

Not factual?...Right...I asked for a list of PSN features..

And you always talk about opinions...and how if some one post what they like it's only their opinion...

I have not simply posted that XBL is better..People were asked to pick one..And I picked XBL...

But now...

You still have yet to post any features that PSN has that are so good Live should have them...

"I don't think there's a lot of 'catch up' [with XBL] anymore. In some cases, I think we've got more, and we've got some other things they don't have," says TK. "In terms of strengths, of course we're still free, and we're giving you a lot for free."

 

Right. And others picked PSN, and it seems you're trying to tell them that they're wrong. That's what I have a problem with, you can't get on people for being subjective. It isn't a FACT that LIVE is better than PSN, rather an opinion.

For some one who tells people to Read post you sure miss alot...When Did I tell anyone that they were wrong..All I did was say I thought some dude had it right with his post..And you went into a flurry....I'll ask again....Why do people get chraged tax for DLC on PSN?