Your points about Nintendo are pretty ridiculous:

Of course... they only have to make one hardware per gen, but hundreds of software.



They don't HAVE to create hardware... they just have to take off-the-shelf CPUs, GPUs to make their hardware. Take a good GPU and a good PowerPC multi-core CPU and they have the basics of their next-gen hardware.

As for Internet service... that's commoditized these days. There are plenty of companies like Akamai that can handle the bandwidth capacity to make an XBL-like service. Nintendo just needs some (not much) software to make the server side part, which frankly isn't that complex. Streaming online content and providing files for download is simple and boring.



They are even more influential by designing hardware and software at the same time.



How is the next generation any different from the previous ones? Technology wise, it will most likely be a small improvement in terms of hardware and online capabilities. Nintendo's real advancements are in control schemes, and they have more than enough resources to do that, as they've proven again and again.



What does blue ocean have to do with surprising people? It's about capturing untapped demographics which weren't gaming before.

 

solidpumar said: If you were nintendo when you would release your next console and what price strategy would you use and technology? How would you triumph over MS and Sony withouth putting most of your profits this generation at risk? The reason I I raise the nintendo doubt is because I cant awswer thís question in green. Can you?

If you were Microsoft/Sony when you would release your next console and what price strategy would you use and technology? How would you triumph over Nintendo while actually making a decent profit especially compared to the last 6 years (by the time the next generation has any chance of starting)?

So what makes Nintendo in such a worse position than either of the 2 competitors? Nintendo has proven they can make the most powerful console and profit. They've proven they can make the most inovative console and make a profit. Maybe next generation Nintendo comes out with a true HD console (1080p capable unlike most games today that typically render under 720p and then upscale) with a price point of $250, some brand new motion control tech that is easy to use and more accurate and better suited for ever genre. Oh, and throw in some form internal memory. I'd buy that right away because Nintendo makes the best games

solidpumar said: Your talk with squilliam was disrespectfull, if you agree with him and think I am a waste of good logic I really dont think you deserve my attention even if you are the only one trying to do good arguments. Otherwise: (1) The thing is. Nintendo has yet to release any plans for their next generation, so how can you jusge on their good choise they will suposedly make on the next console.Their good decision are giving return this generation, but that doesnt mean the same startegy will work again. (2) And as a companies that is comprised of lots of people and shareholders how can you say its mentality gives the best chance to suscced. We know nothing about their plans nintendo is a company like all others. (3) I think nintendo chance of leaving are very slight, is in my frist post why I think there is a slight chance and if after reading again it doesnt raise any doubts or at least isnt a good read, then I wasnt able to convince you and I acceepet that. And since you dont think Sony will drop out eitheir we can agree on that. (4) While they would have to pay the licensing fees, they would have the option of going multiplataform for 100% of potential home console market. They would seek revenue like publisher does... diferent source of revenues. This could be a new blue ocean for nintendo, because they would be able to exploit strategies they couldnt as a 1st party. (5) I think my topic was valid and I think you are just as clueless of the market as you say I am, and offer more half-truth, when I never claimed any truth in my topic, just stating my opinion and hypothetical situation, that even if unlikely to happen, offered a unique and good view. (6) Read my first topic again with a cool head and just tell me if you really think my thread is pointless, has no value and clueless? And awswer If you were nintendo when you would release your next console and what price strategy would you use and technology? How would you triumph over MS and Sony withouth putting most of your profits this generation at risk? (7) The reason I I raise the nintendo doubt is because I cant awswer these question in green, perhaps I need a nintendo team to help me.

I'm legally obligated to agree with Squilliam. It was a condition of the promotion I received that he got for me by performing "favors" for Naz. I didn't ask for details.

(1) I'm not judging their future plans. I'm merely saying they are currently making good, sound choices and there is no imperical evidence to suggest that will stop in the near future. I'm saying Sony and Microsoft are still not exhibiting that they understand why Nintendo succeeded, thus I don't think they can beat Nintendo until they do. The blue ocean strategy will work again and again, so no I don't agree with your statement that the same strategies won't work for them.

(2) Much of what the Wii and DS are as far as strategy was headed up by Iwata and Miyamoto. There's nothing there to suggest the shareholders had mucn input, and on record it's always been said most of it comes from the two of them.

(3) I never raised questions as to the percentage of which Nintendo will or will not leave. It's the new strategy you proposed for them that I have said will never happen. They will not drop being a console maker, continue to make handhelds, and shell out third party titles across Microsoft and Sony's new consoles. I would believe Sony employees holding a press conference to literally take a piss on the PS3 and it's software and then wave goodnight for good before I believe Nintendo will do what you propose. It's just not happening like that.

(4) Name the other forms of revenue Nintendo can have as a third party publisher that could in any way rival the revenue they can have as a first party publisher/hardware maker. Please do, because I've only asked you for this at least 4 times already. Also having the ability to publish on 100% of home consoles has never once made any third party publisher as much money as Nintendo has done publishing on their own consoles. Again, this wouldn't be a blue ocean strategy, and I don't think you even know what a blue ocean strategy is.

(5) The first half of your topic was valid. The part about Sony. The rest was nonsense with no factual basis or any real possibility of ever happening. You know this. You've said it yourself. It was merely you showing the Sony haters that you too could sound as hopelessly ridiculous in your predictions as they do. Congrats. If they deserve the facepalms (which you've said they did) then so do you for your Nintendo prediction. I will give you something though, you're definitely right that your prediction was unique. Not good, but definitely unique.

I also don't believe for a second you think I'm clueless about the market. It seems more of a defense mechanism you're using to put me on your level. You have already said you don't believe what you wrote is going to happen, and I've acknowledged it's not going to happe. How does that make me clueless? Also what half-truths have I told exactly?

(6) My head is cool. I re-read the OP. The Sony half of your post has a point (albeit a flawed one), has value and is not clueless. Your second half about Nintendo is pointless, valueless and clueless.

Regarding your green section, I don't know. If it were easy enough to be thought up in five minutes, I'm sure everyone would be employing better strategies all over.

(7) Maybe you need to place that critical eye on Sony the same way you do on Nintendo, and then maybe you'll see no hardware manufacturer has a 0% chance of not coming back next gen.

I think Microsoft will drop out 1st. Main reason is because they are a software compnay. Another reason is because of the RROD. If the next xbox starts off with a high failure rate like the 360 then a lot of xbox fans will be unhappy and some may not buy it but if it don't have any problems then I see Microsoft making more consoles. For Nintendo they not going any where. Nintendo don't even need to make a HD console to win and they prove that with the Wii. As long as Nintendo keep they consoles cheaper and keep making games like Mario and Zelda, people will still buy

nordlead said: solidpumar said: If you were nintendo when you would release your next console and what price strategy would you use and technology? How would you triumph over MS and Sony withouth putting most of your profits this generation at risk? The reason I I raise the nintendo doubt is because I cant awswer thís question in green. Can you? If you were Microsoft/Sony when you would release your next console and what price strategy would you use and technology? How would you triumph over Nintendo while actually making a decent profit especially compared to the last 6 years (by the time the next generation has any chance of starting)? So what makes Nintendo in such a worse position than either of the 2 competitors? Nintendo has proven they can make the most powerful console and profit. They've proven they can make the most inovative console and make a profit. Maybe next generation Nintendo comes out with a true HD console (1080p capable unlike most games today that typically render under 720p and then upscale) with a price point of $250, some brand new motion control tech that is easy to use and more accurate and better suited for ever genre. Oh, and throw in some form internal memory. I'd buy that right away because Nintendo makes the best games

I would release a Full 1080p hd, 3d capable console with BD media and digital distribution support in place. And use as launch strategy the launch of a big expensive MMO game, peharps even built in already in the consoles hard drive. Offer natal/wand out of the box support also.

Aiming for a $400-450 launch price that would go down to $300 2 years after console launch.

 

Sony and microsoft already showed their progress on "brand new motion control tech" that I find hard Nintendo could compete because of the sheer complexity the technology of NATAL is and since MS already bought sole ownership of a technology has huge potential.

Sony ps3 wand is already a technology way more advanced than nintendo's, and nintendo that would need to match it.

Sony and Ms new console will surely be FULL HD 1080p also, so this wouldnt be a advantage for nintendo alone.

But Sony and MS already have their online in place, and both already have mmo experience and investment in place. And mmo is the one of the biggest growing genres in the indurstries that has yet to be fully exploited by consoles, and when done, whoever can capitalize better will have an advantage.

Sony is already leading the mmo effort and MS has mmo publishers reach. And whoever could make the WoW-killer, and masintream it to consoles could define and win the next gen generation.

Nintendo would still have the biggest franchises, brand name,lots of loyal fans and bigger mainstream and casual influence, but could still capitalize on these being a 3rd party.

Smashed said: I don't see why people are derailing his topic.

What? Are you seriously asking this question? Oh wait I just saw you sig...

@Solidpumar If whoever gets a big MMO on a console first wins than Ninty could just release World of Pokemon.

Since when have nintendo not been able to keep up with competitors Specs?

The Nes was a big leap over Atari
The Snes a big leap over the Nes and minor over the Megadrive
the N64 was a big leap over the Snes and PS1
Gamecube was a big leap over the N64 and PS2 (well maybe not a big leap over PS2 but an improvement)

Only this Gen and with the DS have they forgone a huge leap like their competitors for controls.
They've proven in the past they can make the most powerful hardware and I have no doubt the next console might be WiiHD but that doesn't mean it will be comparable to this gens 360 and PS3 but comparable to what ever MS and Sony bring out.

IMO they took a punt this gen with their control schemes and decided to keep cost down by duct-taping two GC's together for lack of a better phrase so if it failed they wouldn't be in a Sony shaped hole.

Now it's established they can go all out, and probably will have to, with specs to keep up with the competition.

Like some have said to keep cost down out of necessity Sony's next machine might be two PS3's duct-taped together. Well involve updated and multiple Cells so they can build a Nintendo sized lead.

Like I say it's one of the ways I could see things going next gen and is based on personal opinion

@Onyxmeth
The reason I think Sony has 100% of continuing is because they already made decisions and actions that lead to believe so, and the fact they have advantages for the next gen many don't consider...

My second post was valid and as hypothetical discussion, offered good arguments. And wasn't "me too" trolls posts

Regardless if Nintendo will drop out, since they likely won't. I still think would be a valid business strategy that { I }would consider if { I }were Nintendo head executive. Consider to make just handheld and games for other home consoles. Luckily for you that despise this idea of Nintendo being 3rd party, I am not the head executive of Nintendo (OH really)

As for the profits you said you asked:
I believe Nintendo could make MORE profits as a 3rd party than they with did gamecube. The revenue would be less, but so would costs, having higher profit margin. And since they wouldn't have the risk the gamecube cycle were for them, it would be a good business decision.

I do think you are clueless and laic in the issues discussed, and blind by your unrealistic admiration to Nintendo.

I have to sleep for now.... will only be able to respond you tomorrow. Unless insomnia hits again.

Farewell.

There have been many good points already discussed, so I won't rehash my own opinions on the matter.

However, I have to say that I disagree with the topic at hand. All 3 companies are going to come out with a next gen console, no "ifs", "ands", or "buts". Equally.

Simple answer. Money. Theres money to be made in video games.

Only way that is going to change is if one of the companies goes bankrupt. Some one can correct me on this one if I'm mistaken, but the video game market is capitalized at I believe (US)$32 billion and continues to grow, with each company taking a slice out of that pie.

Only known fact, Nintendo has always made money (profit), Microsoft has lots of money, and Sony is a huge electronics giant. It's all about the money.

So this assumption that Nintendo would be the one to leave most likely, is just as far off as Sony not making another console. Or Microsoft (didn't want to leave MS out of the party)