Trouble? When the PS3 starts outselling it.

Trouble does not start when you aren't outselling both of your competitors put together.

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@ail - fair points. I remember when I visited Ireland in 2006, it was a rough go for my money's worth. We didn't estimate the exchange difference, so our $1,000 US was like $700. It sucked. LOL

Tho I would disagree that not all HW slowdowns affect SW. For example, take a core game, like MGS4 - the HW push was fairly small compared to ones like Halo. Yet, the game sold very well all the same. My point is, some SW will still sell strongly, it just might be a game catered to people who already own the HW - aka not a system pusher.

when it falls below 360

darthdevidem01 said: How low do weekly sales need to hit before you would consider Nintendo to be in trouble?

Can't be bothered to read the whole thread.  What's your opinion?  At what point do you consider it in trouble?

bardicverse said: @ail - fair points. I remember when I visited Ireland in 2006, it was a rough go for my money's worth. We didn't estimate the exchange difference, so our $1,000 US was like $700. It sucked. LOL Tho I would disagree that not all HW slowdowns affect SW. For example, take a core game, like MGS4 - the HW push was fairly small compared to ones like Halo. Yet, the game sold very well all the same. My point is, some SW will still sell strongly, it just might be a game catered to people who already own the HW - aka not a system pusher.

Typically I would expect the more frontloaded games to be the less affected by a HW sales slow down.

I think you are confusing what I am saying, I'm not talking of the impact of SW on HW sales.

MGS4 is a good example for that by the way, even if it's not a Wii title.

If you look at MGS4 sales starting 3 months after it's release it was consistently selling a number of software units roughly equivallent to 10% of the PS3 unit sales.

The weeks PS3 HW went up, so did MGS4, the week it went down, so did MGS4 sales.

That's what I am more trying to point out about the Wii.

If HW sales stay down, titles that relie on legs to sell well will have their sales down too...

Ninty won't be in trouble for the next 10 to 20 years, even if they sell 0 hardware and 0 software in a near future...

With all the money they've been makin' on both software and hardware, they're richer than ever, and no sales decrease could REALLY affect them...

Just look at the DS and Wii userbase: how long before PSP and PS3/360 could reach 100 or 50 millions? Never, or maybe by the end of this gen... at best...

No, the only way they could be in trouble is by loosing money on each Wii ever sold, or by the need of massive sales for games with a 50 to 100 millions dollars budget...

Wisely, they just left all this for the competition: so, who's REALLY in trouble then?

well i dont think it's in trouble yet, but signs are starting to show which is not good. However similar to 360 vs PS3 last year, the PS3 outsold it all year long till the holidays, and then the 360 made a huge difference and took the lead back. The Wii could still make a comeback so dont count it off

It's not selling as much as last year. Holy jeepers Batman, Nintends's in trouble!

Is this a joke thread? Have you seen the front page of this website? How can we even be asking ourselves this question?

Nintedo will be in trouble when it can't sell hardware on which it is losing money. With the Wii, it is outselling the competition worldwide and making money on every sale, and selling some software as well (which, for the most part, is Nintendo SW). Doesn't look like a recipe for trouble to me. Are you seeing something I don't?

Ail said: bardicverse said: @ail - fair points. I remember when I visited Ireland in 2006, it was a rough go for my money's worth. We didn't estimate the exchange difference, so our $1,000 US was like $700. It sucked. LOL Tho I would disagree that not all HW slowdowns affect SW. For example, take a core game, like MGS4 - the HW push was fairly small compared to ones like Halo. Yet, the game sold very well all the same. My point is, some SW will still sell strongly, it just might be a game catered to people who already own the HW - aka not a system pusher. Typically I would expect the more frontloaded games to be the less affected by a HW sales slow down. I think you are confusing what I am saying, I'm not talking of the impact of SW on HW sales. MGS4 is a good example for that by the way, even if it's not a Wii title. If you look at MGS4 sales starting 3 months after it's release it was consistently selling a number of software units roughly equivallent to 10% of the PS3 unit sales. The weeks PS3 HW went up, so did MGS4, the week it went down, so did MGS4 sales. That's what I am more trying to point out about the Wii. If HW sales stay down, titles that relie on legs to sell well will have their sales down too...

I get your point, I just see it the opposite way around. I think that solid SW library/releases enhance HW sales. Thus why HW sales are expected to increase for games like Halo, FF, Zelda, etc. Some people are waiting out for one specific title. Once those people get their consoles, there are still the whole audience of people who already own the console. So they aren't buying the HW, but continue to drive SW sales.

It's all perspective, I suppose. We're allowed to have different ones.