It's Gran Turismo, can't argue with those numbers.

I like them both. Currently i haven't played a lot of MKW because my little sister kidnapped my wii, and I got stuck with my old GC, and to this day I still play a lot of MK DD and MK 64 on my N64 emulator here.
But to me, the best MK ever made was and will always be, SMK for the SNES. The split-screen battles with my friends at those days were epic.

Back to the thread, MK now has more brand power because MKWii was a success, don't forget that MKDS, MK DD and MK 64 had far less sucess than GT 3 and GT 4.

GT is definitely not the best racing sim, best "racing sim" on sony consoles, but there are many games that are better sims on the consoles than GT games - Richard Burns Rally and Race Pro are the best examples. if we start compare GT to pc games it will get really bad cause GT is basically arcade game just like Colin Mcrae Rally, Grid, PGR or Dirt - they maybe don't have physics and car handling just like Outrun or NFS games, but they don't have physics and car handling of a racing sims either. those games are between arcades and sims - they're sim-enough to give you some challenge and arcade-enough so everyone can play them from the start. EOT

sorry, but the fact that first two Halo games were able to sell so well on so unpopular platform like xbox(Halo 3 thanks to ODST will sell probably another 2-3mln LT) and the fact that Halo is so well-known around the world. GT games are well known among gamers, but Halo is well known among poeple - that's the difference and that's the fact.

GT is Guitar Hero/RackBand for gamers, Halo is Guitar Hero/RockBand for everyone. i know many people that bought 360 with Halo 3 to play with their friends from college/old days around the world to play and communicate with each other from time to time and have fun cause it's better than meeting once every 5-10 years on stiff reunion parties.

Gran Turismo isn't just a racing simulator.

Gran Turismo is "The Real Driving Simulator", actually.

Oh yeah, Call of Duty > Halo... just thought id add that for you.

^ Uhm, dude I don't know a single person here in Europe that doesn't know gran turismo.

Halo simply because it's amazing what it's been able to do on lower userbase compared to GT. Every GT has had a 100+ mil userbase to work with.

Uhm, you're forgetting mario kart ds(not double dash), it sold over 15 million. Making it even a bigger brand name then GT  could ever dream of.

Come on, you can do better than that. Richards Burns Rally? Seriously, you are talking about the game that had over-steer confused with under-steer. The game which negated roll-bar effects on the cars, and that any level of suspension felt exactly like a Hard suspension.

I admit that physics wise, GT isn't the best real simulator, that title goes to GTR-2 (Which Race Pro tried to emulate, but faltered in a lot of the aspects, especially with each car handling almost identical), the physics, driving and car damage effect on your driving will make you sweat to make it to the end of each race, just like a real race should do.

But GT, with it's diversity, accesability, has been and still is considered as the best console racing sim. Forza, as a real life sim, has a chance to give it a true run for it's money, because they have been improving in each game. But to this day, the only racing franchise that can compete with GT is MK.

Edit - @SamusAran, that's the same that GT 3 sold

And another thing, how do you know that Halo is WORLD popular?

Any links? Or sales figures to confirm this?

^doesnt matter, GT series sold more and that's what makes them stronger. I know its hard for you to admit any achivment achived by Sony hardware or software but its true, you gotta be strong 

EDIT: this post was aimed at waron