Win7 is the future now. BEL7EVE

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ZenfoldorVGI on 05 July 2009

.jayderyu said:

OK so from a minimalist perspect of effency here is what I'm getting

Xoj is saying that Win7 is not as memory effecient as WinXP, but pretty descent with using CPU performance.

Zen is saying that MEM and CPU usage is better than Vista and is praising the features putting it on a higher platform than XP.

In both cases sounds like XP is a better solution if your not looking for feature rich enviroment. Is that about right?

Unless you want to play games, in which case you have to do so without DX10 or DX11(some games do, and will require these in the future).

If you are looking for a basic OS to run on a computer, XP is cheaper since you probably already own it, but it doesn't give you much better performance than Win7, and it also lacks many security features, and soon the support will drop for it.

For 49.99 you can upgrade to a much better OS.

If you don't care about features though, just get a free OS off the internet, and see how that works out for ya.

Sounds to me like a lot of people are just trying to find an excuse not to upgrade, like they do with ever new OS, console, or whatnot.

Windows 7 is an Xbox 360. If you aren't interested in a feature rich enviroment, improved graphics, or any other improvements, just go download a NES emulator for free. Doesn't hurt that the 360 is 49.99 for a limited time though.

...no, XP is not BETTER than Windows 7. It might be cheaper, and easier to get(assuming you already own it), but calling it better is like saying the PS1 is better than the PS3. The PS3 can play every game the PS1 can with BC, and it also plays, ya know, PS3 games, and has a shitload more modern features, support, and games. It's like that. Win7 can do everything XP can do, and better, without being slower, and has a shitload of modern features that XP doesn't nor ever shall offer. Gamers will own Windows 7. If you just use your computer as a netbook, might as well have the blackberry OS for all that matters.

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SpookyXJ on 05 July 2009

Why are some of you quoting retail pricing? Who actually buys retail with a new PC?(or an old one for that matter some of you are too ethical) Wait till it ships and get the OEM version.

Prices from new egg
XP pro retail $259
XP Pro OEM $139
Vista Home Premium Retail $224
Vista Home Premium OEM $99
Win 7 Home Premium $199
best guess for Win7 HP OEM $99

Difference between OEM and Retail: OEM wont do an upgrade from a previous OS. Just back up your data or buy an upgrade version. Fresh install FTW IMO and you wont have to find the disc from your previous version if you ever do a reinstall.

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Mise on 05 July 2009

ZenfoldorVGI said:

Mise said:

ZenfoldorVGI said:

Yeah, and for 50 dollars, XP owners who game can finally upgrade and use DX10, and all the modern features they missed when they skipped Vista. Vista owners, for 50 bucks, can increase the speed of their computer, and get some more streamlined new features.

50 dollars is the right price.

You know, you might consider shedding some light on these new features if you want anyone to give a damn about them.

And from what I've read, W7 breaks backwards compatilibity with older programs even worse than Vista does, and as a (retro) gamer this is a deal breaker for me. So I'm sticking with the older stuff for the time being.

Dominicinator wrote:

1) It runs great on my $600 laptop ...

Here is a review from youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jsx-gf-z2U

"Beta of Windows 7 runs better than SP1 of Vista"

I don't think any OS currently available runs slower than Vista. Then again, a performance improvement is always nice - even though I've gotten Vista to run OK after gutting about 50% of its pointless services.

2) The new toolbar is awesome. Just use it. You'll see.

Uh huh.

3) I am blown away by the new media functionality. You can now access your media library over an internet connection......and it works REALLY well. I've tried it out in several different situations, and it is seamless. You just open up your media player and there's your stuff. Even HD video streams damn near flawlessly just as if you were sitting in your own network. (This could probably be added to Vista too, but I don't know/remember if it's reliant on the new Homegroup feature or not.)

I guess it's nice, but I've never had the need to access my media library over the internet, since I lug my laptop around quite a bit.

4) Homegroups make it much easier for Joe Schmoe to set up a network.

Haven't really had problems with networks before, but OK.

Don't have a 360, so 5) doesn't apply to me.

6) It will have free Windows XP virtualization in some of the skus.

You'll need Pro or above and a virtualization-capable processor in order to use this (which I apparently have), apparently it's a hassle to set up and run (a minor issue), and its performance and compatibility are suspect - I'd have to actually test this before deciding on anything. Then again, IF it works as intended, you might be onto something here.

7) Even in its release candidate status, it NEVER crashes.

Correction: It hasn't crashed for now.

Zen says:

Also, it increase performance over Vista, and comes with Direct X 11, for better graphics and performance on your games.

I recently switched from DX9 to DX10, and noticed only marginal performance increase. Then again,I only tested three old games that were designed for XP only - I'd probably need a side-by-side comparison between DX9, 10 and 11 to better examine their benefits.

Sold?

Nope. Sorry, but while it does seem to be a decent step up from Vista in the performance department, I don't see anything that would say "BUY THIS RIGHT F'N NOW". At the very least I'll have to test it before buying to see whether it's worth it or not - and I know a few tech geeks who'll buy it anyway, so I'll get my chance. :p

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DeltaXIII on 05 July 2009

Mise said:

6) It will have free Windows XP virtualization in some of the skus.

You'll need Pro or above and a virtualization-capable processor in order to use this (which I apparently have), apparently it's a hassle to set up and run (a minor issue), and its performance and compatibility are suspect - I'd have to actually test this before deciding on anything. Then again, IF it works as intended, you might be onto something here.

I've been using the beta and RC. The XP virtual machine wasn't a problem to set up. Basically just run an exe or two and then taking time, but wasn't difficult. I haven't done extensive tests on performace or compatibility on it, but most of the games I've played have run on 7 anyhow or required Dos Box, which XP required too. Do you know of any specific programs or games that are supposed to have trouble? If I have it, I can look into it.

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makingmusic476 on 05 July 2009

You forgot the best part in the op! This upgrade isn't like a normal OS upgrade. Upon confirming that you already own Windows, you can either upgrade from Vista to 7, or do a fresh install!

Upgrading usually leads to a number of problems down the line, which is why it's awesome that this upgrade pack allows you to do a fresh install.

At first I was highly skeptical of Windows 7, but from the looks of it it's basically Vista with a few more features, a few less bugs, and less resource requirements overall. In other words, it's what Vista should've been, and the ability to "upgrade" via a clean install for only $50 is one hell of a deal for the package.

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MonstaMack on 06 July 2009

Yeah Windows 7 is great from beta testing. I pre-ordered the Premium Upgrade for a whipping $50 through Amazon. For $50 this will be my first actual OS purchase since Windows 98 (My XP and Vista were pre-packed).

It's just that simple.

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Xoj on 06 July 2009

.jayderyu said:

Xoj said:

Naraku_Diabolos said:

Xoj said:

ugh no.

it vista make over.
installed on a celeron 2.53ghz 1.2gb ram with a nvidia fx 5500.
it ran slow and used most of my ram. leaving with only 100mb of boot.

had problems with AC 97 drivers (doesn't work well with 5.1 windows 7).

and Aero still clunky as ever.

while it a 10% improvement over vista.

i can run ubuntu with all the effects and never go down 50fps.

i am using ibm lotus symphony for office, netbeans for school proyects, banshee for music, firefox 3.5 as a power.

ps3 media server for streaming and even some windows applications with whine, i don't think i will have to return to windows in a while.

for gaming machine i think the desktop i built still faster in xp DX9 and steam.

That's because your specifications are not all that great. Your processor is fine, but the RAM could be higher and a better graphics card is needed. Try this:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/upgrade-advisor.aspx

i did, it even said i could run aero, RC1 was slow =(, actually what really bug me it's sound didn't work well.

1256mb of ram it's not enough for windows 7/vista.

it ran well on the notebook with the core 2 duo, but well thats muscle.

but ubuntu flies in both machines, i am thinking of getting rid of vista in the notebook too.

OK so from a minimalist perspect of effency here is what I'm getting

Xoj is saying that Win7 is not as memory effecient as WinXP, but pretty descent with using CPU performance.

Zen is saying that MEM and CPU usage is better than Vista and is praising the features putting it on a higher platform than XP.

In both cases sounds like XP is a better solution if your not looking for feature rich enviroment. Is that about right?

no, ubuntu is, or mac OS, both have better windows 3d animations, Compiz and Quartz 3d. which include many all of the features of windows 7, even emulation with virtualbox and parallel of windows xp, security and will run better in old hardware.

saying something better than vista, it's like saying "well i am least he is more smart than rock". doesn't say much.