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forevercloud3000 on 12 June 2009
Lord Flashheart said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
forevercloud3000 said:
disolitude said:
richardhutnik said:
Microsoft isn't just interested in Sony. They also now want to go after Nintendo. It would be presumptive that Microsoft would base its pricing strategy on what Sony does alone. If they feel they can gain on Nintendo by cutting prices, they will.

Like Richard here said...

Besides, market for these HD consoles is pretty much the same.

Xbox  360 advantage - attractive price, great and cheap back catalog of games, things like netflix

PS3 advantage - bluray, Playstation brand name, some big exclusives released this year

What is so aggrevating to me is that technically PS3 already had....

-Netflix

-Facebook

-Twitter

-Motion sensing camera

but somehow these things are new when coming to 360 0_o? WTF?

now we also have

-Vidzone

-Youtube

-Pretty much any site available on the interwebs

-no fee for any of it except Netflix but thats just the standard

-etc.

 

Sigh......this is why I say the general consumer is stupid.......

So the Natal is simply a motion sensing camera like the eyetoy?

Sigh.........this is why I say that fanboys are stupid........
Also with your sig should you be questioning anyones elses for being flaimbiat?

If you actually did some research you would know that the Natal is doing nothing the PSEye has not already shown it can do. MILO? See Eyedentify for PSEYE revealed countless years ago. Look at Sony's conference. The Motion sensing is not just with the wands, its with the already existing PSEYE!!! PSEye has voice recognition, it has motion sensing, it has depth perception. What else did you think was reading those wands on SOny's conference?

Yea, so maybe you shouldn't speak anymore before you only further embarass yourself....

You're asking if i have done research?

That's rich.
If you have you would know that the pseye reacts to colour changes and movement so is limited to 2d (no depth perception or why do its games need marked cards to show it where to put its nintendogs?) and is simply on level with the xbox vision and thats about it wheras Natal see colour changes, DEPTH (3D) using two camera and IR, voice recognition, facial recognition

You've really shown yourself up here, pseye has depth perception? like you said it needs wands to read 3d but Natal does it by itself.
Pseye needs a well lit room but natal can work in very dark rooms thanks to the IR it has. You knew that didn't you?

Guess not from reading your comments.
saying Natal is just like Pseye is like saying the Wiimote is simply sixaxis.

What does it matter the method  if they both get the same thing done? PSEye uses light and color. Natal uses IR signal. The fact of the matter is the PSEYE was here first and came standard with many of these already existing capabilities(facial recognition, voice recognition, etc) proven by tech demos and the like years before. Yea, the PSEYE, when junctioned with motion controllers, can read 3D space and movement. Point? It still does it. Thats using the PSEYE and the controllers can do that.

The uniform spherical shape and known size of the lights also allows the system to determine the wands' distances from the PlayStation Eye through the image size, thus enabling the wands' positions to be tracked in three dimensions.[5] Combined with the internal motion sensors, this allows for real-time motion capture with orientation in three dimensions with "high-precision, sub-millimeter" accuracy.[2]

My main point is that there is very little difference between the two capabilities and the PSEye could do majority of what the Natal is doing from the start.

And my hostility derives from you trying to peg me from start as some raving fanboy when I didn't even say anything wrong. NATAL and PSEYE, very little difference.



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 on 12 June 2009
S.T.A.G.E. said:
The PS360 gap isn't supposed to widen or get shorter until 4th quarter.

hmm...true. the most visible differences will probably be made then.



      

      

      

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JRPG on 12 June 2009

Well its not getting any smaller. Oh and if it does start to get smaller, then you can bet MS will open up their check book and buy every big third party game for that year.



MaxwellGT2000 on 12 June 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
forevercloud3000 said:
disolitude said:
richardhutnik said:
Microsoft isn't just interested in Sony. They also now want to go after Nintendo. It would be presumptive that Microsoft would base its pricing strategy on what Sony does alone. If they feel they can gain on Nintendo by cutting prices, they will.

Like Richard here said...

Besides, market for these HD consoles is pretty much the same.

Xbox  360 advantage - attractive price, great and cheap back catalog of games, things like netflix

PS3 advantage - bluray, Playstation brand name, some big exclusives released this year

What is so aggrevating to me is that technically PS3 already had....

-Netflix

-Facebook

-Twitter

-Motion sensing camera

but somehow these things are new when coming to 360 0_o? WTF?

now we also have

-Vidzone

-Youtube

-Pretty much any site available on the interwebs

-no fee for any of it except Netflix but thats just the standard

-etc.

 

Sigh......this is why I say the general consumer is stupid.......

So the Natal is simply a motion sensing camera like the eyetoy?

Sigh.........this is why I say that fanboys are stupid........
Also with your sig should you be questioning anyones elses for being flaimbiat?

If you actually did some research you would know that the Natal is doing nothing the PSEye has not already shown it can do. MILO? See Eyedentify for PSEYE revealed countless years ago. Look at Sony's conference. The Motion sensing is not just with the wands, its with the already existing PSEYE!!! PSEye has voice recognition, it has motion sensing, it has depth perception. What else did you think was reading those wands on SOny's conference?

Yea, so maybe you shouldn't speak anymore before you only further embarass yourself....

Y'all need to cool it, if I have to get onto one of you I'll have to get onto both of you but y'all really haven't stepped over that line, best to just drop it.



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thx1139 on 12 June 2009
stewroids said:

A price drop on the current 80 gb PS3 is not possible, they will be losing too much money on it. But if Sony does what the 360 did, which is release something like the arcade console then Sony can end up making a lot of money. They can release a slimmed down  20-40 gb PS3 and sell it for 249.99...I think if they do that people will buy it like crazy...also, if they drop the price of the PS3 to 349.99 and bundle it with Uncharted 2 or GT5, it will boost the sales like crazy!


No they cant a 20-40GB HDD costs more than an 80GB HDD. How can spending more on the drive allow Sony to drop the price $150.



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stewroids on 12 June 2009

ahh, touche, i was not aware of that...i simply assumed that a smaller hard drive would be cheaper



twesterm on 12 June 2009
forevercloud3000 said:

What do you think will happen in the next 6 months that could turn the tide?

What kind of effect will it have?

How long will it hold?

 

Every time I see a thread like this asking these kind of questions I like to open up troll.xls and input the current numbers:

So assuming tomorrow the gap starts shrinking here's what will happen:

Time for the PS3 to catch the 360 (in 100,000's)
  Worldwide America Others
Time(weeks) Sales/Week Sales/Week Sales/Week
4 1993 2193 1220
8 996 1096 610
16 498 548 305
24 332 365 203
52 153 169 94
78 102 112 63
104 77 84 47
130 61 67 38
156 51 56 31
182 44 48 27
208 38 42 23
234 34 37 21
260 31 34 19

If the PS3 starts outselling the XBox 360 by 25k/week, it will take much more than 5 years for it to pass the 360.

If the PS3 starts outselling the XBox 360 by 38k/week, it will take about 4 years for it to overtake the 360.

If the PS3 starts outselling the XBox 360 by 77k/week, it will take about 2 years for it to overtake the 360.

So yeah, momentum has slowed but it really doesn't matter.



 

daroamer on 12 June 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
forevercloud3000 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
forevercloud3000 said:
disolitude said:
richardhutnik said:
Microsoft isn't just interested in Sony. They also now want to go after Nintendo. It would be presumptive that Microsoft would base its pricing strategy on what Sony does alone. If they feel they can gain on Nintendo by cutting prices, they will.

Like Richard here said...

Besides, market for these HD consoles is pretty much the same.

Xbox  360 advantage - attractive price, great and cheap back catalog of games, things like netflix

PS3 advantage - bluray, Playstation brand name, some big exclusives released this year

What is so aggrevating to me is that technically PS3 already had....

-Netflix

-Facebook

-Twitter

-Motion sensing camera

but somehow these things are new when coming to 360 0_o? WTF?

now we also have

-Vidzone

-Youtube

-Pretty much any site available on the interwebs

-no fee for any of it except Netflix but thats just the standard

-etc.

 

Sigh......this is why I say the general consumer is stupid.......

So the Natal is simply a motion sensing camera like the eyetoy?

Sigh.........this is why I say that fanboys are stupid........
Also with your sig should you be questioning anyones elses for being flaimbiat?

If you actually did some research you would know that the Natal is doing nothing the PSEye has not already shown it can do. MILO? See Eyedentify for PSEYE revealed countless years ago. Look at Sony's conference. The Motion sensing is not just with the wands, its with the already existing PSEYE!!! PSEye has voice recognition, it has motion sensing, it has depth perception. What else did you think was reading those wands on SOny's conference?

Yea, so maybe you shouldn't speak anymore before you only further embarass yourself....

You're asking if i have done research?

That's rich.
If you have you would know that the pseye reacts to colour changes and movement so is limited to 2d (no depth perception or why do its games need marked cards to show it where to put its nintendogs?) and is simply on level with the xbox vision and thats about it wheras Natal see colour changes, DEPTH (3D) using two camera and IR, voice recognition, facial recognition

You've really shown yourself up here, pseye has depth perception? like you said it needs wands to read 3d but Natal does it by itself.
Pseye needs a well lit room but natal can work in very dark rooms thanks to the IR it has. You knew that didn't you?

Guess not from reading your comments.
saying Natal is just like Pseye is like saying the Wiimote is simply sixaxis.

What does it matter the method  if they both get the same thing done? PSEye uses light and color. Natal uses IR signal. The fact of the matter is the PSEYE was here first and came standard with many of these already existing capabilities(facial recognition, voice recognition, etc) proven by tech demos and the like years before. Yea, the PSEYE, when junctioned with motion controllers, can read 3D space and movement. Point? It still does it. Thats using the PSEYE and the controllers can do that.

The uniform spherical shape and known size of the lights also allows the system to determine the wands' distances from the PlayStation Eye through the image size, thus enabling the wands' positions to be tracked in three dimensions.[5] Combined with the internal motion sensors, this allows for real-time motion capture with orientation in three dimensions with "high-precision, sub-millimeter" accuracy.[2]

My main point is that there is very little difference between the two capabilities and the PSEye could do majority of what the Natal is doing from the start.

And my hostility derives from you trying to peg me from start as some raving fanboy when I didn't even say anything wrong. NATAL and PSEYE, very little difference.

Honestly, the amount of inaccuracy and lack of understanding in your post is just staggering. 

Suffice it to say that the buzz created by Natal both in the media, from developers and from people who have demoed it vs the completely apathy from the industry towards the PSEye should be sufficient enough to show you they are hardly the same thing. 

And you have the gall to tell someone else to do their research.  Maybe you should start yourself by researching what facial recognition means and what z-depth perception is.



Squilliam on 12 June 2009

The Xbox 360 is stronger during the holidays and the PS3 is stronger during the regular non holiday months. The Xbox 360s sales matched the PS3s sales just after the $400 price cut and the price delta in the U.S was only $50, scrub that it exceeded the PS3s sales in the U.S.A. The PS3 is stronger during the year owing to the greater influence of Japan and Others than America, but at the end of the year the sales balance tips towards Americas where the Xbox 360 is stronger.

So thats a lot of the reason why I believe that a $299 PS3 will still get outsold by the Xbox 360 this Christmas. Once the unfavourable months during the year are over, the Xbox 360 will move into its favourable Christmas holiday season and once again sales will be sky high.

 



Tease.

Lord Flashheart on 12 June 2009
forevercloud3000 said:
Lord Flashheart said:

You're asking if i have done research?

That's rich.
If you have you would know that the pseye reacts to colour changes and movement so is limited to 2d (no depth perception or why do its games need marked cards to show it where to put its nintendogs?) and is simply on level with the xbox vision and thats about it wheras Natal see colour changes, DEPTH (3D) using two camera and IR, voice recognition, facial recognition

You've really shown yourself up here, pseye has depth perception? like you said it needs wands to read 3d but Natal does it by itself.
Pseye needs a well lit room but natal can work in very dark rooms thanks to the IR it has. You knew that didn't you?

Guess not from reading your comments.
saying Natal is just like Pseye is like saying the Wiimote is simply sixaxis.

What does it matter the method  if they both get the same thing done? PSEye uses light and color. Natal uses IR signal. The fact of the matter is the PSEYE was here first and came standard with many of these already existing capabilities(facial recognition, voice recognition, etc) proven by tech demos and the like years before. Yea, the PSEYE, when junctioned with motion controllers, can read 3D space and movement. Point? It still does it. Thats using the PSEYE and the controllers can do that.

The uniform spherical shape and known size of the lights also allows the system to determine the wands' distances from the PlayStation Eye through the image size, thus enabling the wands' positions to be tracked in three dimensions.[5] Combined with the internal motion sensors, this allows for real-time motion capture with orientation in three dimensions with "high-precision, sub-millimeter" accuracy.[2]

My main point is that there is very little difference between the two capabilities and the PSEye could do majority of what the Natal is doing from the start.

And my hostility derives from you trying to peg me from start as some raving fanboy when I didn't even say anything wrong. NATAL and PSEYE, very little difference.

You never said the wands. You said that Natal is basically an eyetoy.
Now it's with this and that etc.

No the pseye with extras comes slightly closer to Natal.

You need a wand for each hand then 2 more for your friend if you want two player.
Are you willing to pay that much? at the moment the pseye is nothing more than the xbox vision.
It is not close to Natals capabilities at the moment. It's missing it's biggest feature the 3d movement, then there's the fact you have to use it in a well lit area and if you don't have one and buy a wand to make the most of it you need another wand and an eyetoy.

The natal is all-in-one and more.

Based on what you actually said you're wrong
The xbox already has an eyetoy, xbox vision.

If Natal was very similar in tech then why do this?

It seems to me that you're downplaying the features, as well as other features coming to the xbox deliberately and I called you out on it.

Thought only fair to get my response in after the MOD threat as cloud had his.



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