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Smashchu2 on 26 May 2009
taxman said:
^ I doubt MS or Sony will make a big jump in the pwer of their next console. Only ninty will move to HD with their next console and that would only bring it on par with the current HD consoles.
Developers don't have time or moeny for more elaborate titles at the moment so a new control method that is better than the Wii's will be what the next gen will be about.
And don't forget, the high price of an ultra powerful 360 will be higher than that of the PS3.5 ...

We must not forget that the industry is super competative. This is why we see all the back and forth trash talking. I would not be surprised if one of the companies released a console just to beat the other one. As sales begin to stagnat, we'll see pressure from both companies to release a new unit before the other has a change. It will be a literal race. I suspect Microsoft to make the first move. Sony is focused on profits, so they want to make the PS3 profitable instead of making a PS4.

 

EDIT: I started this post before Viper made his comment, but he hits a cord that many have forgoten. All industries are driven by consumers. The game industry tends to forget this.



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Megadude on 26 May 2009
Viper1 said:
cliffbo said:
what utter nonsense. it all boils down to what you believe. if developers know that the PS3 will be around for ten years then they will support that strategy, just like they did with the PS1 and are doing with the PS2...

Cliff, longevity is consumer driven.   Sony won't support it if the consumers no longer want it and the developers won't support it if the consumers no longer buy their products.    Sony can only take it as far as consumers will allow it.   Sony doesn't dictate how long it lasts...we do.

That's right. And since the PS3 is selling on par with the 360 at double the price it is just as likely that the 360 won't last as long either. PS3 AND 360 going to die? No fraid not. PS3 is a great addition to HD adopters. While Wii is great for Wii fit and Wii sports.

It's not Sony's fault that Wii is getting paltry 3rd party support.



Viper1 on 26 May 2009
Megadude said:
Viper1 said:
cliffbo said:
what utter nonsense. it all boils down to what you believe. if developers know that the PS3 will be around for ten years then they will support that strategy, just like they did with the PS1 and are doing with the PS2...

Cliff, longevity is consumer driven.   Sony won't support it if the consumers no longer want it and the developers won't support it if the consumers no longer buy their products.    Sony can only take it as far as consumers will allow it.   Sony doesn't dictate how long it lasts...we do.

That's right. And since the PS3 is selling on par with the 360 at double the price it is just as likely that the 360 won't last as long either. PS3 AND 360 going to die? No fraid not. PS3 is a great addition to HD adopters. While Wii is great for Wii fit and Wii sports.

It's not Sony's fault that Wii is getting paltry 3rd party support.

According to NPD, the average sale price of the X360 in the US is $270 meaning most X360 buyers are buying the higher end models, not the $200 Arcade SKU.   While $270 is still cheaper than the $400 price tag of the PS3, it should be understood the X360 is not half the price of the PS3 with regard to actual retail sales.

The above is based on US retail and sales only.   The situation may differ in other nations.

 

And why the Wii 3rd party jab? 



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taxman on 26 May 2009
txrattlesnake said:
taxman said:
^ I doubt MS or Sony will make a big jump in the pwer of their next console. Only ninty will move to HD with their next console and that would only bring it on par with the current HD consoles.
Developers don't have time or moeny for more elaborate titles at the moment so a new control method that is better than the Wii's will be what the next gen will be about.
And don't forget, the high price of an ultra powerful 360 will be higher than that of the PS3.5 ...


Of course Microsoft will make a big jump in power with their next console, otherwise there wouldn't be much reason to buy it. As far as games goes Microsoft needs to have a console that can play games with graphics as close as possible to pc games the way that the 360 can play games like Bioshock and Fallout 3 in comparison to pcs or they lose a big chunk of their market to pcs. At the very least the next xbox will be able to run Crysis as well as current high end pcs do.

I'm not sure you need a completely new design to get Crysis graphics on the consoles. It's not as easy to slot a new GPU in a console but if you keep the same basic design and boost the efficiency and closk speeds of the components then you can get that performance out of a 'modified' 360 or PS3...

There is also the issue with development costs for games. Who's to say that the 720 will be accepted by the developers if it is the most powerful console on its own and the Wii2 and PS4 are similar in power? Do you create games for the Wii2+PS4 or the 720 on it's own?



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End of 2009 ltd sales:

Wii = 67-68m

X360 = 38-39m

PS3 = 34-35m

Prediction: The PS3 will surpass the 360 on weekly sales after it drops to $299 on all regular weeks (no big releases).

Megadude on 26 May 2009
Viper1 said:
Megadude said:
Viper1 said:
cliffbo said:
what utter nonsense. it all boils down to what you believe. if developers know that the PS3 will be around for ten years then they will support that strategy, just like they did with the PS1 and are doing with the PS2...

Cliff, longevity is consumer driven.   Sony won't support it if the consumers no longer want it and the developers won't support it if the consumers no longer buy their products.    Sony can only take it as far as consumers will allow it.   Sony doesn't dictate how long it lasts...we do.

That's right. And since the PS3 is selling on par with the 360 at double the price it is just as likely that the 360 won't last as long either. PS3 AND 360 going to die? No fraid not. PS3 is a great addition to HD adopters. While Wii is great for Wii fit and Wii sports.

It's not Sony's fault that Wii is getting paltry 3rd party support.

According to NPD, the average sale price of the X360 in the US is $270 meaning most X360 buyers are buying the higher end models, not the $200 Arcade SKU.   While $270 is still cheaper than the $400 price tag of the PS3, it should be understood the X360 is not half the price of the PS3 with regard to actual retail sales.

The above is based on US retail and sales only.   The situation may differ in other nations.

 

And why the Wii 3rd party jab? 

The average price is $270? I know that the Arcade accounted for 50% of 360 sales. And btw there's different PS3 SKUs as well. Or did you forget about the $500 model?



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nightsurge on 26 May 2009
WereKitten said:
nightsurge said:
WereKitten said:
@Nightsurge
You answered the wrong post, read my previous one. The NextBox won't make up for the loss of selling PS3 software for years after its inception, and it will take its market mostly out of the 360's. With the PS2 end of line, there will be no rational reason to entirely cut one out of three of the big console lines.

But the PS3 will be cut first based on shelf space.  The NextBox would more than makeup for any loss in PS3 software sales, that and the 360, Wii, and Wii 2.  Retailers cannot support all the shelving space and especially given the drastic situation in the US.  The PS3 would be discontinued there because of lack of shelf space and it would have the lowest software sales even when compared to the 360 and Wii after their counterparts are released.

Basically if retailers followed what you are proposing, we would still have PS1s, N64s, Gamecubes, and original Xboxes for sale....

You keep saying the same thing but no, the numbers tell that it won't. It doesn't matter if the PS3 is third out of three, even on the american market it sells almost two thirds as much software as the 360 (and likely going to grow as the install base ratio changes). It will take the NextBox years to reach that level of software sales with some continuity, and that will also mean that the 360 software sales will go down, making it even less profitable cutting the PS3 to allot the same space to 360 and new space to the NextBox.

PS1, N64 and other old consoles are not a good comparison simply because they would sell a tiny quantity of software in absolute and relative terms. Having a section dedicated to an old console that sells like 2% of the total might not make sense, but with the PS3 today we're talking about 20% of all the software sales on the American market. The rational way to go is to cut the PS2 space, not the PS3.

I keep saying the same things because you don't seem to get them.  They are the truth, despite what you may think of the current situation.

What happened when the Xbox 360, Wii, and PS3 released?  Only the PS2 remained for longer than a few months (the market leader and the one with the most software selling potential).  Now the roles are reversed with the PS3 in last and the Wii in front.  Once the next generation starts, the Wii will last longest, the Xbox 360 to a shorter extent, and the PS3 will be cut first because it will continue to have the lowest possibility of selling software.

The only way the PS3 will live for 10 years at retail in the US is if Sony waits for 10 years to release a new console.



nightsurge on 26 May 2009
Megadude said:
Viper1 said:
Megadude said:
Viper1 said:
cliffbo said:
what utter nonsense. it all boils down to what you believe. if developers know that the PS3 will be around for ten years then they will support that strategy, just like they did with the PS1 and are doing with the PS2...

Cliff, longevity is consumer driven.   Sony won't support it if the consumers no longer want it and the developers won't support it if the consumers no longer buy their products.    Sony can only take it as far as consumers will allow it.   Sony doesn't dictate how long it lasts...we do.

That's right. And since the PS3 is selling on par with the 360 at double the price it is just as likely that the 360 won't last as long either. PS3 AND 360 going to die? No fraid not. PS3 is a great addition to HD adopters. While Wii is great for Wii fit and Wii sports.

It's not Sony's fault that Wii is getting paltry 3rd party support.

According to NPD, the average sale price of the X360 in the US is $270 meaning most X360 buyers are buying the higher end models, not the $200 Arcade SKU.   While $270 is still cheaper than the $400 price tag of the PS3, it should be understood the X360 is not half the price of the PS3 with regard to actual retail sales.

The above is based on US retail and sales only.   The situation may differ in other nations.

 

And why the Wii 3rd party jab? 

The average price is $270? I know that the Arcade accounted for 50% of 360 sales. And btw there's different PS3 SKUs as well. Or did you forget about the $500 model?

The Arcade only made 50% of sales over the holidays.  Throughout the rest of the year it has been the Pro/Premium consoles.  Oh and btw, there is only one PS3 SKU.  The $500 160GB model was temporary and is no longer sold unless your stores have a big overstock from poor holiday sales of that SKU.



kanariya on 26 May 2009

Gotta love the Joe Schmo(s) trying to be analysts on the internet.



Viper1 on 26 May 2009
Megadude said:
Viper1 said:

According to NPD, the average sale price of the X360 in the US is $270 meaning most X360 buyers are buying the higher end models, not the $200 Arcade SKU.   While $270 is still cheaper than the $400 price tag of the PS3, it should be understood the X360 is not half the price of the PS3 with regard to actual retail sales.

The above is based on US retail and sales only.   The situation may differ in other nations.

 

And why the Wii 3rd party jab? 

The average price is $270? I know that the Arcade accounted for 50% of 360 sales. And btw there's different PS3 SKUs as well. Or did you forget about the $500 model?

The Arcade SKU does not account for 50% of sales according to NPD.  Also from NPD, it was stated the $400 PS3 model has a 9:1 sales ratio to all other PS3 models.

 

Again this is US only so it may be different in other nations but these are facts as they are provided by NPD.



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NeoSizer on 26 May 2009

The PS3 will not be around for 10 Years. This is just Sony lying like they do every generation, just like the other 2. NO system will be around for 10 years. Discussion over. Why do you people argue this like the fate of your system depends on it. All 3 systems are worth buying in their own way. Just shut up and go play your damn video games, children.