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* 2006
o Wii Sports
o Excite Truck
o The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

* 2007
o WarioWare: Smooth Moves
o Wii Play
o Eyeshield 21: Field Saikyō no Senshi (Japan only)
o Super Paper Mario
o Mario Party 8
o Big Brain Academy: Wii Degree
o Pokémon Battle Revolution
o Mario Strikers Charged
o Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
o Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
o Battalion Wars 2
o Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn
o Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games (Published by Nintendo in Japan only)
o Super Mario Galaxy
o Link's Crossbow Training

* 2008
o Wii Chess (Europe only)
o Everyone's Common Knowledge Television (Japan only)
o Endless Ocean
o Super Smash Bros. Brawl
o Mario Kart Wii
o Wii Fit
o Mario Super Sluggers
o Wario Land: Shake It!
o Fatal Frame IV (Japan only)
o Captain Rainbow (Japan only)
o Wii Music
o Disaster: Day of Crisis (Japan, Europe and Australia only)
o Animal Crossing: City Folk

Actually that's off wikipedia... hmm I take that back, they didn't release squat. Jeez. Ausi's got Disaster but America didn't; that's almost heresy.



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dib8rman said:

Mario Galaxy
Wario Shake
Wii Music
Wii Fit
Mario Kart
Mario Striker
Battalion Wars Wii
Metroid
Zelda
Smash Bros Brawl
Excite Truck
Excite Bots
That game with the colors and stuff that about electricity.
Super Paper Mario
Pokemon Revolution
Mario Party 8

oh gosh the list goes on dissolute, if you need me to I could google up the last 2 years.

 

Also I thought Gears was Epic, and Ninja Gaiden was Tecmo or something, your cheating!

 

 Thats fine...some of those are more than 2 years ago but sure...

And you are saying as a gamer, nintendo has all bases for you covered there? I own a wii, I play it once in a while... games

I've been playing for the last year and a half are:

Sonic unleashed, Smash brothers, House of the dead: overkill, House of the dead 2/3, REsident evil 4

My point is, 2/3s of people would not have bought a wii for the games that nintendo is releasing/publishing... Its tha waggle/balance board that sells that console, not the games. Take away control scheme, take away sales.

Hence article is wrong in saying nintendo's first party sells consoles. Nintendo first party couldn't sell consoles at this rate for 2 prior generations...and they had MUCH better first party offerings then.



JGarret said:
But Garcian, what does "adapt to" mean, in this case?...I imagine games people refer to as 'hardcore' (though I prefer the term 'core') and games like Nintendogs, Brain Age, WiiSports, etc...can perfectly coexist without any problems.

But when Malstrom talks about 'adapting to', it might sound like the huge majority of games, according to him, are bound to end up like WiiSports, Nintendogs, etc...so I don´t agree with him about that (if that´s what he thinks will happen, or maybe I´m misinterpreting him).

 

What I mean is that Wii Sports and Nintendogs are proto-genres, just like Super Mario Bros. was the first true platformer and Doom was the first true 3D FPS; and that, furthermore, they're the forerunners of genres that will create a whole new class of "hardcore" gamers.

Ten years from now, we'll be seeing that the majority of games are based off of the proto-genres introduced in the Wii/DS era. Those games will be deeper and more complex than Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Sports, etc. will ever be. The audience that those games captured will love them. So will some of the present "hardcore," who will grow up and into the new crowd, just as arcade gamers grew up and into the NES and its descendants. Others will simply whine about the "good old days" for a few more years and move on.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

disolitude said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
chasmatic12 said:
disolitude said:
Bobbuffalo said:
disolitude said:

Sony and even ms first party efforts are much better than nintendos for the last year or two. They may not produce the same sales as nintendos products but quality is there...


Other than that the article is right...

Besides Gears of wars, Halo, Fable on the xbox360 and Killzone and........on the PS3 what else do they offer?

Nintendo on the other hand released Zelda, Mario, smash bros, fire emblem, metroid, new super mario bros and the mega succesful Mario kart wii and wii fit.

You can't deny that Nintendo is and always be the company with their strongest 1st party.

 

You are listing every nintendo published game in the last 2 years. You missed on xbox 360 PGR4 Forza 2 crackdown

Sony Motorstorm 1 & 2, Warhawk, Uncharted

Lot more variety is found at Ms and Sony than at nintendos first party efforts.


A lot more variety? If an action/adventure, platformer, fighter, srpg, first person shooter/adventure, 2D platformer, racer, and fitness sim isn't variety, than God help us all.

This.

Nintendo has first party everything covered. Quality, sales, variety, etc.

I am not a sony spokesperson so I can't talk for sony but take a look at MS published developed games

3rd person shooter - Gears, Gears 2

Sandbox - Crackdown

Racing -PGR3, PGR4, Forza 2

Action/Adventure - Ninja Blade, Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human

RPG - Mass Effect, Fable 2, Lost Oddisey, Blue Dragon

FPS - Halo 3, Perfect Dark Zero

Strategy - Halo Wars

Platformer - Banj Nuts and bolts, Kameo

PArty - Lips, Scene it

Simulation - Viva Pinata, Viva Pinata 2.

Some of these obviously have great sales and some dont. Nintendo does have great sales as I stated in the previous statement. But I am speaking in the last year and a half or 2 years... Ever since Mario Glaxy, nintendo has been on a quiet mode and the products they released have sold well but have not been up to par with the other 2 consoles first party offerings...I mean, Smash Brothers and maybe Mario Kart wii are the only 2 nintendo published games I'd even consider purchasing.

Also just because there is 1 FPS game (which isn't an FPS at all but an FPA) you people think Nintendo has the genre "covered"? Give me a break.

Why call out Nintendo for only having published one first person game while you yourself only listed one strategy game published by Microsoft. Apparently their selection is quite limited as well.

And I can compile an organized list of Nintendo-published games since the Wii's release.

Simulation: Animal Crossing: City Folk, Endless Ocean, Wii Fit

Strategy: Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn

Action/Adventure: Disaster: Day of Crisis, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

Racer: Mario Kart Wii, Excite Truck, Excite Bikes: Trick Racing

Survival Horror: Fatal Frame IV: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse (In Japan so far)

Party: Mario Party 8, WarioWare: Smooth Moves, Wii Play

Platformer: Super Mario Galaxy, Wario Land: Shake It

Fighter: Super Smash Bros: Brawl

Sports: Wii Sports, Mario Striker Charged, Mario Super Sluggers

Music Simulation: Wii Music

First Person Adventure: Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Miscellaneous: Pokemon Battle Revolution

By the end of the year, they'll have Trace Memory R: Another Code, Sin & Punishment 2, Dynamic Slash, Cosmic Walker, Punch Out, Endless Ocean 2, possible Pikmin 3, and it's quite probably that another huge game will be released before the end of the year. I think it's safe to say that Nintendo has a lot of variety.

 



Garcian Smith said:
JGarret said:
But Garcian, what does "adapt to" mean, in this case?...I imagine games people refer to as 'hardcore' (though I prefer the term 'core') and games like Nintendogs, Brain Age, WiiSports, etc...can perfectly coexist without any problems.

But when Malstrom talks about 'adapting to', it might sound like the huge majority of games, according to him, are bound to end up like WiiSports, Nintendogs, etc...so I don´t agree with him about that (if that´s what he thinks will happen, or maybe I´m misinterpreting him).

 

What I mean is that Wii Sports and Nintendogs are proto-genres, just like Super Mario Bros. was the first true platformer and Doom was the first true 3D FPS; and that, furthermore, they're the forerunners of genres that will create a whole new class of "hardcore" gamers.

Ten years from now, we'll be seeing that the majority of games are based off of the proto-genres introduced in the Wii/DS era. Those games will be deeper and more complex than Nintendogs, Brain Age, Wii Sports, etc. will ever be. The audience that those games captured will love them. So will some of the present "hardcore," who will grow up and into the new crowd, just as arcade gamers grew up and into the NES and its descendants. Others will simply whine about the "good old days" for a few more years and move on.

Why did you have to list the first true 3D FPS.  Why not just list the first game to popularize FPS - Wolfenstein 3D.

 



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Garcian Smith said:
bardicverse said:
Xxain said:
I hate the " Nintendo is is casualizing the market" crap. ppl dont realize the market has been casualizing for years now.

 

Very true, in fact, people forget that the origins of the industry was "Casual". Core games didnt really show up till the NES. SO you might actually attribute "core gaming" to Nintendo. Ironic, isn't it?

Wrong. Actually, the NES was considered "casual" in its time, while arcade games (the dominant form of gaming at the time) were the "hardcore." Had you been alive when the NES was released, you'd have heard all sorts of talk about how the NES and those new easy, kiddy, casual games where you go from point A to point B (some of them - gasp - don't even have high score charts!) were killing and "casualizing" gaming.

End result: Some "hardcore" adapted; others clung bitterly to their style of games until the market for them dwindled down into nothingness.

How's that for a modern-day parallel?

Garcian, Ive been around longer than Star Wars movies have. I lived with the Atari 2600, ColecoVision, etc. At the time of the NES, arcades were still stuck in Atari Mode - simple games that just got harder and harder each level due to more enemies that moved faster. The core market grew with games like Metroid and Zelda, which alienated the casual gamer due to the amount of length, diverse maps, etc. From the industry side, your point is inverted, as industry vets cite the NES as the first the world has seen of "hardcore" gaming.  Arcades were too simplistic compared to the large scale design that NES games had.

In essence, its more like Nintendo has come full circle bringing the era of core console gaming to the world and looping back to the casual, arcade-ish style of gaming that existed before the NES

 

 



A lot of people really dislike the success Nintendo has seen with the Nintendo DS and Wii because it goes against their belief system, and rather than questioning whether their beliefs were valid they cling to them and assume that the end is just around the corner for Nintendo ... While most of these people want superior graphics and more complexity to push games towards being an "Art" and think this will drive more people to adopt games, Nintendo has been successful with a system that produces modest and more approachable graphics, a simpler and more intuitive experience, and focuses on games being "Play" for people of all ages.



@dissolute

That's like saying I bought the Ps2 for dual shock or the Ps3 for suxasses.

In 2006 when I first saw Brawl I figured motion controls + brawl = nirvana not motion controls = nirvana.

The reality here is that software moves the hardware and the wiimote doesn't sell itself nor does the balance board, the software is moving the hardware.

Maybe it's just me but saying it out loud to myself... makes it sound even more retarded than I knew it to be. Say it out loud to yourself.

Say: "People bought Wii's the hold a Wiimote."

Maybe it's just me.

If your asking for my opinion on if the games from Nintendo have satisfied me on the Wii?

No, honestly they haven't I play less games from Nintendo than you listed for yourself, but that doesn't shake the fact that they produced and are producing many more games than any other 1st party (platform holder).

I've been playing Eternal Sonata on my Ps3 and SC4 or 5 whatever it was.



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* Wii Sports Resort
* Punch-Out!! Wii
* Start w/ 100 Conversations! English Conversation
* Another Code: R, Gateway of Memory
* Kensax
* Cosmic Walker
* Spawn Smasher
* Dynamic Slash
* Sin & Punishment 2
* Forever Blue 2: Beautiful Ocean
* Everyone's the Star on the NHK Red-and-White Quiz Battle
* Line Attack Heroes
* Hoshi no Kirby

Those are their announced Wii games, if you take into account Iwata said they wont announce games until they are near release due to the threat of birdmen.



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HappySqurriel said:

A lot of people really dislike the success Nintendo has seen with the Nintendo DS and Wii because it goes against their belief system, and rather than questioning whether their beliefs were valid they cling to them and assume that the end is just around the corner for Nintendo ... While most of these people want superior graphics and more complexity to push games towards being an "Art" and think this will drive more people to adopt games, Nintendo has been successful with a system that produces modest and more approachable graphics, a simpler and more intuitive experience, and focuses on games being "Play" for people of all ages.

This is very nicely written Happy...but please consider nintendo today without waggle. All this success wouldn't be here. Graphics, games has nothign to do with nintendo sales.

Many people have said this and nintendo fans may take offense but Wii is a gamecube 1.5 with waggle control scheme...

Why would thier games sell consoles now when the playing field is even higher, when they didn't 5 years ago...especially considering that very minor updates are given these new games other than the new control scheme.

This article is saying that nintendo success is atributed to their games which is as crazy as saying that Sony PS3 success is atributed to bluray... nooo, its why it isn't number 1 right now.