nightsurge said: placidcasual said: They should take the graphics chip out, scrap wifi capability, take blu-ray out of it, stick batteries in the controllers , make it less reliable, cut the browser and announce they are charging for online play so they can catch up with XBox. This should be called the PS360 Nice trolling.  Reported. Also, the browser isn't necessary, batteries in controller would be a nice option so you don't have to worry about the internal batteries dying and needing your whole controller replaced, wifi for gaming isn't a good idea and should only be used if it is the only option, the 360's GPU is better than the PS3's so it would be much worse than a 360 if they followed your advice. Charging for online would be a good idea if it meant they could improve things faster and offer more services.  That and help them make a profit for once off of the PS3.

 

Reported. OH NO!

 

Nice sense of humour buddy. You thought I was serious? Glad you don't take it too seriously. 

 

Oh and wifi is not a good option. Maybe you are a comedian after all?

 

 

Of course Sony is going to shoot down any rumors, that's how business works! They were denying any PS3 price cuts up to the minute before the announcement of the price cuts. Any and every company will do this.

I'm taking what Sony says with a couple grains of salt, and then when they do actually announce a PS3 at E3 that has BC and a price cut, I'll be using that salt to cook my hamburgers on my new PS3 grill.

a slim ps3 at 299 would be real nice, i would buy another ps3.

lapsed_gamer said: Question: Why does everyone assume that consoles need to be drastically redesigned? What precedence do we have for this? ... NES, PS1, PS2 - All three were the market leader and all were so they could be sold at the end of (or even beyond) their generations. Right in the middle of a generation seems a strange time to spend the R&D on something like this. (Did I miss any?)

A redeign as in the case of PSOne and PSTwo is a no brain buisness move, especially in the case of PS3. A redesign on a console is not very expensive for a company, and can cut way back on many problems a larger product causes.

The benifits of a slimmed down redesign:

-Cut of cost on meterials = cut of cost on production = more profits (or) price cut.
-Ship more for less, less weight + less space = huge savings.
-More shelf space = more consoles in store = more advertisments = better chance to sell.

Max King of the Wild said: Cheebee said: CGI-Quality said: Cheebee said: Well, if it's a redesign, that'd probably cost Sony a ton of money, which they can't really spare at the moment... I doubt they'd take that kind of risk, when it's not guaranteed to move more consoles. Also, the price of the system itself would likely be higher if it was somehow redesigned and smaller/more compact. I'm curious, how do YOU know what they can spare? Lol @ your question. XD lol @ your ignorance. how do you know losses from sony arent coming from R&D on slimming down the ps3? in which case the faster they shrink it the faster they stop putting money into R&D giving them more money to make easier profit and would reduce ps3 manufacturing cost wich would give more money... CGI is right you cant possibly know what sony is doing therefor you cant possibly know what sony can spare

Yes, you're absolutely right, Sony as a company is doing fine, and the only reason they've made some losses (which everyone knows are pretty meaningless anyway), is because of the costs involved with a PS3 redesign.

/sarcasm

 

Really now.

When I said they 'can't really spare' that kind of money at the moment, I was just saying they are in an extremely tight financal situation, of course they might be able to spare money to redesign their console, but seeing how they're already bleeding money, and a redesign is not guaranteed to boost sales in the long run, Sony might opt not to spend tons of money, but instead focus on different strategies to improve sales. Of course they could afford to do a redesign, it's a big company with deep pockets. But would they be willing to?

I wasn't ruling out any redesigns, just saying I was doubting Sony would consider doing it. Read my original post above and see.

As much as some people would like to see a redesign, Sony is a company out there to make money, not cater to the whims of fans.

 

Cheebee said: Max King of the Wild said: Cheebee said: CGI-Quality said: Cheebee said: Well, if it's a redesign, that'd probably cost Sony a ton of money, which they can't really spare at the moment... I doubt they'd take that kind of risk, when it's not guaranteed to move more consoles. Also, the price of the system itself would likely be higher if it was somehow redesigned and smaller/more compact. I'm curious, how do YOU know what they can spare? Lol @ your question. XD lol @ your ignorance. how do you know losses from sony arent coming from R&D on slimming down the ps3? in which case the faster they shrink it the faster they stop putting money into R&D giving them more money to make easier profit and would reduce ps3 manufacturing cost wich would give more money... CGI is right you cant possibly know what sony is doing therefor you cant possibly know what sony can spare Yes, you're absolutely right, Sony as a company is doing fine, and the only reason they've made some losses (which everyone knows are pretty meaningless anyway), is because of the costs involved with a PS3 redesign. /sarcasm   Really now. When I said they 'can't really spare' that kind of money at the moment, I was just saying they are in an extremely tight financal situation, of course they might be able to spare money to redesign their console, but seeing how they're already bleeding money, and a redesign is not guaranteed to boost sales in the long run, Sony might opt not to spend tons of money, but instead focus on different strategies to improve sales. Of course they could afford to do a redesign, it's a big company with deep pockets. But would they be willing to? I wasn't ruling out any redesigns, just saying I was doubting Sony would consider doing it. Read my original post above and see. As much as some people would like to see a redesign, Sony is a company out there to make money, not cater to the whims of fans.

the point is you dont know what sony is doing. for all we know sony could already be spending money on R&D for a redesign. in other words they wouldnt need to spare anything at all since its pointless to finance 2 reasearch teams doing the same thing. and even if it doesnt increase sales in the long run it would still greatly benifit sony by cheaper production and cheaper shipping by lighter boxes and more product per create lear business

Max King of the Wild said: Cheebee said: Max King of the Wild said: Cheebee said: CGI-Quality said: Cheebee said: Well, if it's a redesign, that'd probably cost Sony a ton of money, which they can't really spare at the moment... I doubt they'd take that kind of risk, when it's not guaranteed to move more consoles. Also, the price of the system itself would likely be higher if it was somehow redesigned and smaller/more compact. I'm curious, how do YOU know what they can spare? Lol @ your question. XD lol @ your ignorance. how do you know losses from sony arent coming from R&D on slimming down the ps3? in which case the faster they shrink it the faster they stop putting money into R&D giving them more money to make easier profit and would reduce ps3 manufacturing cost wich would give more money... CGI is right you cant possibly know what sony is doing therefor you cant possibly know what sony can spare Yes, you're absolutely right, Sony as a company is doing fine, and the only reason they've made some losses (which everyone knows are pretty meaningless anyway), is because of the costs involved with a PS3 redesign. /sarcasm   Really now. When I said they 'can't really spare' that kind of money at the moment, I was just saying they are in an extremely tight financal situation, of course they might be able to spare money to redesign their console, but seeing how they're already bleeding money, and a redesign is not guaranteed to boost sales in the long run, Sony might opt not to spend tons of money, but instead focus on different strategies to improve sales. Of course they could afford to do a redesign, it's a big company with deep pockets. But would they be willing to? I wasn't ruling out any redesigns, just saying I was doubting Sony would consider doing it. Read my original post above and see. As much as some people would like to see a redesign, Sony is a company out there to make money, not cater to the whims of fans. the point is you dont know what sony is doing. for all we know sony could already be spending money on R&D for a redesign. in other words they wouldnt need to spare anything at all since its pointless to finance 2 reasearch teams doing the same thing

Yes, and for all we know Sony are secretly building a time machine to travel back in time and stop the Wii and 360 from ever becoming succesful. :)

Ah, well we'll see at E3.

 

placidcasual said: nightsurge said: placidcasual said: They should take the graphics chip out, scrap wifi capability, take blu-ray out of it, stick batteries in the controllers , make it less reliable, cut the browser and announce they are charging for online play so they can catch up with XBox. This should be called the PS360 Nice trolling.  Reported. Also, the browser isn't necessary, batteries in controller would be a nice option so you don't have to worry about the internal batteries dying and needing your whole controller replaced, wifi for gaming isn't a good idea and should only be used if it is the only option, the 360's GPU is better than the PS3's so it would be much worse than a 360 if they followed your advice. Charging for online would be a good idea if it meant they could improve things faster and offer more services.  That and help them make a profit for once off of the PS3.     Reported. OH NO!   Nice sense of humour buddy. You thought I was serious? Glad you don't take it too seriously.    Oh and wifi is not a good option. Maybe you are a comedian after all?

I'm sorry, but I thought humour implies something was originally funny....

Also, wifi sucks for online gaming.  Sure it works but ethernet is always better and should be the first choice.

 

@Max

So far the 45nm are not confirmed to be in production for retail machines.  Also what you said just basically followed along what I already knew and stated.  They still need to shrink the motherboard, remove the power brick, and slim down the Blu-Ray drive.  The last picture I saw of an updated inside of a PS3 was still VERY packed to the brim.

 

sony wouldnt make a redesign for fans but for themselves. your looking at this from a consumer point of view which is blurring your head. why do you think sony shrunk the rsx and cell to 45nm already? something which has no significance to the consumer? like it or not but that had to be done by sony spending money on r&d. if they were willing to spend money there im sure they arent just going to stop there and cut fundings. which would mean sony already has it going and doesnt need to put more money than it already is.

@ CGI-Quality

Of course we don't. I was just making a point that Sony's in a terrible financial situation right now and that there's no proof a PS3 redesign would improve their situation, and might therefore choose not to release one anytime soon. Heck, for all we know a redesign is not even an option for the company right now, whereas some people seem to think it's a definite fact already and that it's unthinkable for Sony NOT to release a redesigned PS3 soon.

We just don't know, and I was just expressing the opinion that I thought it unlikely such a redesign would be released anytime soon.